真实事件改编
波士顿, 马萨诸塞州 - 1976年
波士顿警察局 11分局
情况如何? How's that going?
母亲在痛哭, 叔叔很生气 The mother's bawling and the uncle's pissed off.
她没结婚? She's not married?
离了, 带着4个孩子 Divorced with four kids.
我猜神父只是好心帮忙 I guess Father was helping out.
帮忙? Helping out?
嗨，伯克先生，他们正在后面和主教谈 Hey, Mr. Burke, they're in back talking to the bishop.
- 神父呢？ - 我们把他安排在休息室 - And Father? - We put him in the break room.
有媒体吗? Any press?
《公民报》 来了人，被我们打发走了 Some guy from the Citizen but we sent him away.
大报都没来 None of the big papers.
让我们继续保持 Let's keep it that way.
- 那是谁？ - 助理检察官 - Who's that? - Assistant DA.
传讯时报社肯定会闻风而来 It's gonna be hard to keep the papers away from the arraignment.
什么传讯？ What arraignment?
你可以告诉神父吉欧根很快就会完事了 You can tell Father Geoghan it won't be much longer.
希拉，你也知道教会给社区做了不少贡献 Now, Sheila, you know what good work the church does in the community.
而且我个人向你保证 But I give you my personal guarantee
我会让神父离开堂区 that I'm going to take Father out of the parish,
这种事绝不会再发生了 and this will never happen again.
可以再等我们一会儿吗？保罗 We'll just be another moment, Paul.
当然可以, 神父 Of course, Father.
希拉，现在我把我的个人名片给你 Now, Sheila, I'm going to give you my personal card...
聚焦
失去一名好记者总是让人难以接受 Losing a good reporter is always tough.
《波士顿环球报》总部 2001年
可失去我们中最好的一个 But losing one of our best...
让我用最恰当的语言来形容 Well, to put it as eloquently as I can,
真的是心都凉了一截啊 it's a real kick in the ass.
不过在这罗比认识斯图尔德 But, Robby here has known Stewart
的时间比你们的年龄都大 longer than most of you have been alive,
所以下面交给你来讲吧，罗比 so, I'll hand it off to him. Robby.
好吧，我想得谢谢本 Oh, well, thanks, Ben. I think.
不过我认为你这是暗示我资格最老吧 Although I take issue with your reference to my seniority,
我想说斯图尔德的离去，特别地令我难过 I will say that Stewart's departure is especially painful for me
原因嘛，是什么？斯图尔德 because, uh... For what, Stewart?
有20年了吧？ Twenty years now?
斯图尔德总在牌桌上 Stewart's been more than willing to part
心甘情愿的输钱 with his money at the poker table.
而我有个孩子正上大学呢 And I've got a kid in college.
- 可我还会继续玩的 - 噢，问题解决了 - Yeah, but I'm gonna keep playing. - Oh, problem solved.
那祝你好运吧 Godspeed then.
斯图尔德，我发现你离开的时机 Now, Stewart, I find the timing of your departure
让大家人心惶惶 disconcerting.
角落的办公室空出来了 The corner office sits empty,
新总编下周一上任 the new editor arrives on Monday,
因此我冒昧的问你一句 so I'm sorry, buddy, but I gotta ask ya.
你到底有什么内幕消息? What the hell do you know?
蛋糕好吃吗? How's the cake?
很好吃，你要留着你的那份？ It's really good. Are you saving yours?
不是，这是给麦克的，我从不吃这种东西 Nah, it's for Mike. I can never eat at those things.
- 会让我心情低落 - 明白 - They kind of depress me. - I know.
你看过华盛顿那边的数据了吗？ Did you see the numbers from Washington?
- 是的，很有意思 - 我也这么觉得 - Yeah. Very interesting. - I think so, too.
我没问警察局是不是在撒谎，我知道他们在撒谎 I'm not asking if the PD's lying, I know they're lying.
我只想问谁是幕后指使？ All I'm asking, who's behind it?
好吧，我明白了，你不想谈 Oh. Okay, I get it. You don't want to talk.
不，丹，我没生气，我是饿了 No, Dan, I'm not mad, I'm hungry.
我跟你说了太久，午饭都没吃 I've been talking here so long I didn't eat lunch.
所以我要去吃点东西 So I'm gonna go get something to eat,
我给你一个小时考虑 and that'll give you an hour to decide
你是想做出正确的抉择 whether you want to be on the right side of this
还是和其他人一样当个看客 or read about it like everybody else.
再见，丹 Bye, Dan.
你认为卡荷尔有料？ You think Cahill has something?
或许吧，我只是觉得这个故事不适合我们 Maybe. I just don't think the story's for us.
- 本喜欢? - 恩，还行吧，但不适合《焦点》 - Ben likes it. - Yeah, it's not bad, it's just not Spotlight.
什么不适合《焦点》？ What's just not Spotlight?
- 那个警察局的数据 - 数据怎么来的，感觉不靠谱 - The PD numbers. - The numbers story. It feels thin.
噢，你让卡荷尔开口了？ Oh, you got Cahill to talk?
还没，不过我会的 No, but I will.
好，那也就能知道靠不靠谱了 Good. Then we'll know if it's thin.
- 楼上进行的如何？ - 不错 - How'd it go upstairs? - Oh, okay.
- 罗比可是好一通演讲 - 他拿手的啊 - Robby gave a good speech. - Sure he did.
我听说鲁宾和康纳要去 纽约时报 I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the Times.
- 这来真的? - 恩，我也听说了 - Come on, really? - Yeah, I heard that.
他们简直就是在抽我们的血 They're leeching us.
还好吧，至少他们派了个迈阿密的家伙来管事 Well, at least they're sending us a guy from Miami to run things.
那应该有所帮助 That should help.
巴伦有在波士顿呆过吗？ Has Baron even spent time in Boston?
他从来就没来过这吧，或许我们该送他副地图 I don't think he's ever been here before. Maybe we should buy him a map.
我迈阿密有个朋友告诉我巴伦在那裁了15%的人 I have a friend down in Miami said he cut 15% of the staff.
- “真好啊” - 嗨，罗比 - Great... - Hey, Robby.
新上司来这会裁员吗？ New boss coming in to make some cuts?
我不清楚 I have no idea.
你不是要和他会面吗？ Aren't you sitting down with him?
- 是啊 - 那是和《焦点》有关？ - Yes, I am. - So is it about Spotlight?
我不清楚，麦克，我只知道 I don't know, Mike, but I do know
本需要对那个犯罪数据的查证 that Ben needs an answer on the crime numbers story.
我都说了那个故事不值得我们做 I'm telling you, I really don't think that story's for us.
巴伦先生 Mr. Baron.
沃尔特·罗宾逊，叫我罗比就行 Walter Robinson. Robby.
谢谢你周末抽空出来 Thanks for taking the time out of your weekend.
- 我很荣幸 - 谢谢你 - Oh, my pleasure. - Appreciate it.
你看的什么？ What are you reading?
《贝比鲁斯魔咒》 The Curse of the Bambino.
噢，很棒的书 Oh, yeah, it's a great book.
顺便说下，等你安顿下来 The Globe has season tickets at Fenway
环球报 有芬威球场的季票 once you're settled in, by the way.
谢谢 Thank you.
实话说吧我对棒球并不感兴趣 Uh, to be honest, I'm not much of a baseball fan.
只是略微了解下这座城市 I'm just trying to get a feel for the city.
哦 Oh, yeah...
你是波士顿本地人？ So you're originally from Boston?
是的，土生土长 I am. Born and raised, yeah.
编辑部的很多人都是本地的 A lot of the newsroom is from here.
所以感觉上很像个本地报纸 It really feels like a local paper in that way.
那在报纸卖给 纽约时报 后，有什么变动吗? And did that change at all after the paper was sold to the Times?
没有，我认为那并有没带来多大影响 No. No, I don't think that had a big impact.
很好 Good.
你是《焦点》团队的主编？ And you're an editor for the Spotlight team?
是的，不过我更倾向考虑自己既是教练也是队员 I'd prefer to think of myself as player coach. But yes.
你熟悉《焦点》吗？ Are you familiar with Spotlight?
不，并不怎么熟悉 No, not particularly.
我们是一个四人的调查团队 Well, we are a four-person investigative team.
向小本·布莱德里汇报 We report to Ben Bradlee, Jr.,
并且对我们的工作保密 and we keep our work confidential.
你们现在在做什么？ What're you working on now?
我们刚刚发表了篇揭露黑心建筑公司的报道 We just put out a piece on a shoddy construction outfit,
现在我们正四处打探寻找下一个题材 and right now we're really just trolling around for our next story.
那一般需要多长时间？ How long does that typically take?
说不准，可能几个月吧 Hard to say. A couple months.
几个月？ Couple months?
恩，我们不想操之过急 Yeah, we don't like to rush it.
一旦定下一个题材，我们会花上至少一年时间进行调查 Once we settle on a project, we can spend a year or more investigating it.
- 那是个问题？ - 不一定 - Is that a concern? - Not necessarily.
不过据我所知，读者数量在下降 Um, but from what I understand readership is down,
互联网抢了不少广告收入 Internet is cutting into the classified business, and
因此我得慎重考虑各个方面 I think I'm gonna need to take a hard look at things.
那你预计还要裁员？ So, do you anticipate more cuts?
我认为那样想很正常 I think it's safe to assume so,
不过我目前更关心的是如何 but what I'm more focused on right now is finding a way
让这份报纸与读者息息相关 to make this paper essential to its readers.
我觉得我们已经做到了 I like to think it already is.
好吧，我只是认为还有改进的余地 Fair enough. I just think that we can do better.
- 布莱德里先生 - 嗨 - Mr. Bradlee. - Hey.
看了警察局的数据，感觉有料 Saw the PD numbers. Looks interesting.
恩，值得一查 Yeah, there's something there.
- 你需要多少时间？ - 再给我一周 - How long do you need? - Another week.
- 你要去哪？ - 10点半的会 - Where're you going? - 10:30.
什么时候让你参加了？ Since when?
按规定，我也是名编辑 Technically, I am an editor.
按规定 Technically.
你们座谈时巴伦跟你示意了？ Your sit-down with Baron go that well?
- 我没看出来 - 头一回啊 - I couldn't get a read on him. - That's a first.
- 你怎么看他？ - 他这人不苟言笑吧 - How about you? Oh, - he's a barrel of laughs.
大家早晨好，现在开会 Morning, everyone. Let's get started.
你想先说几句吗，马蒂？ Do you wanna say something, Marty?
好啊 Uh, sure.
大家好 Uh, hello.
现在你们应该都知道了吧，鄙人马蒂·巴伦 As most of you know by now, my name is Marty Baron,
我很高兴能来这 I'm delighted to be here.
如果会议进行中你们能介绍一下自己，那就再好不过了 Um, if you could tell me your name as we go around, that'd be helpful.
谢谢 Thank you.
好的，皮特？ Okay. Peter?
皮特·卡内洛斯, 负责都市版块 Peter Canellos, Metro.
我们有关于中央枢纽工程的重大报道 I've got a major Big Dig closure.
- 嗨，史蒂夫 - 嗨，麦克 - Hey, Steve. - Hey. Mike.
昨晚的比赛很糟糕？ Crappy game last night, huh?
恩，他们打得可真臭 Yeah, they can't hit worth a nickel.
问一下，艾琳·麦克纳马拉跑去10点半的会议干嘛？ Hey listen, what's Eileen McNamara doing in the 10:30?
- 你需要什么吗，麦克？ - 不需要，只是好奇而已 - Do you need something, - Mike? No, just curious.
去别处好奇去，我还有活要干 Go be curious somewhere else. I got work to do, huh?
好吧，史蒂夫 Okay, Steve.
- 一会见 - 恩 - See you. - Yeah.
好像佩德罗9月1日才能再出场 And it looks like Pedro's gonna be out until September 1st.
吉米称自己今年就能重回赛场，可医生并不敢肯定 Jimmy says he'll be back this year, but the doc didn't seem so sure.
新英格兰爱国者的揭幕战什么时候开始? When's the Pats' opener?
这都介绍了？ Is that everyone?
- 是的，都介绍了 - 很好 - Yes, that's it. - Okay. Good.
谢谢你 Thank you. Uh...
你们都看了艾琳·麦克纳马拉这周末的专栏了吗？ Did everyone read Eileen McNamara's column this weekend?
那个吉欧根案子？ That's the Geoghan case?
是的，有后续报道吗？ Yeah, what's the folo on that?
就是个专栏稿，你还想有什么后续？ It's a column, what kind of folo were you thinking?
显而易见的是，这个神父过去30年里 Uh, well, apparently this priest molested kids
在6个不同堂区猥亵过很多小孩 in six different parishes over the last 30 years,
而且受害者的代理律师, 那个谁... and the attorney for the victims, Mr...
- 加拉贝迪安 - 谢谢你艾琳 - Garabedian. - Thanks, Eileen.
加拉贝迪安先生声称主教劳 Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal Law found out
15年前就知情却一直没采取任何措施制止 about it 15 years ago and did nothing.
恩，我觉得那个律师脾气有点火爆 Yeah, I think that attorney's a bit of a crank,
并且教会说那是无中生有 and the church dismissed the claim.
别人云亦云 He said, she said.
不管加拉贝迪安脾气如何 Whether Mr. Garabedian is a crank or not
他声称手里有文件能证明主教知情 he says he has documents that prove the cardinal knew.
可据我了解这些文件都被封存了 As I understand it, those documents are under seal.
没错，可事实摆在这，一名波士顿神父性侵了80个小孩 Okay, but the fact remains, a Boston priest abused 80 kids,
而且有位律师声称他能证明主教劳知情 we have a lawyer who says he can prove Law knew about it,
而我们在过去6个月仅仅做了2篇报道 and we've written all of, uh, two stories in the last six months.
我感觉这个故事对一份本地报纸来说，是至关重要的 This strikes me as an essential story to a local paper.
我觉得至少我们得去查阅那些文件 I think at the very least, we have to go through those documents.
你想怎么做？ How would you like to do that?
呃... Oh, uh...
我不清楚这儿的法律程序 I don't know what the laws are here,
可在佛罗里达我们会上法院 but in Florida we would go to court.
你想起诉教会？ You want to sue the church?
具体操作的话我们不是去起诉教会 Technically we wouldn't sue the church.
我们只是提交一个动议去解封这些文件 We'd file a motion to lift the seal on those documents.
可教会肯定解读这是想告他们 The church will read that as us suing them.
其他人也会这么想 So will everybody else.
知道就行 Good to know.
第一天上任就这么有魄力 Gutsy call for the first day.
那是一种说法 That's one word for it.
你觉得那会造成什么情况？ How do you think that's gonna play down front?
我觉得吉尔曼会寝食难安的 I think Gilman's gonna shit a brick.
- 嘿 - 关上门 - Hey. - Door.
情况如何? How'd it go?
呃，巴伦想要请求解封吉欧根案子的文件 Well, Baron wants to sue for the sealed docs in the Geoghan case.
想告教会吗？太棒了！ Wants to sue the church? Hey, that's great.
三年前消息传出时我们就报道过吉欧根的案子 We covered Geoghan when the story broke three years ago.
那时巴伦还在迈阿密 Baron was still in Miami.
我想他当时应该在 纽约时报 I think he might have been at the Times then, actually.
他没在那 He wasn't here.
那么你们觉得上诉有戏吗？ So do you think that suit has a chance?
那得看法官 Depends on the judge.
还有他隶属哪个堂区 And what parish he belongs to.
布莱德里，好 Bradlee. Yeah.
好的 Okay.
巴伦想叫我们过去谈谈 Baron wants to talk to us.
我们? Us?
好的，约翰，谢谢 Okay, Jon. Thank you.
好，好的，谢谢 Yes. Okay, thanks.
我定下了明天和外聘律师会面 I've set up a meeting for tomorrow with outside counsel.
- 乔恩·阿尔巴诺? - 是的 - Jon Albano? - Yeah.
这个案子的法官是谁？ Who's the judge in this case?
康斯坦丝·斯维尼 Constance Sweeney.
- 难办 - 为什么？ - Tough. - Why's that?
虔诚的女天主教徒 Good Catholic girl. Huh.
那么 So, um,
从我读过的内容判断，我觉得似乎 judging from what I've read, it doesn't seem like we've done
我们在吉欧根案上只是草草了事 a very thorough investigation into the Geoghan case.
- 对吧？ - 不，不对 - Is that right? - No, it's not.
吉欧根案我们下了功夫的 We looked hard at Geoghan.
都市版的大卫·阿姆斯特朗，还有宗教版的迈克尔·保尔森一同负责 David Armstrong from Metro, Michael Paulson for Religion.
好的，不过我想说的是 Okay, but, uh, just so I understand,
除了我们的日常报道，我们并没有 beyond our daily coverage, we haven't...
安排人员去进行深入细致的调查 We haven't committed any long-term investigative resources
以确认主教劳是否知情？ to the question of whether or not Cardinal Law knew about this?
没有，我们没那样做 No, we haven't.
那这种事属于你们的团队去做？ And that's the kind of thing your team would do?
《焦点》吗？ 是的 Spotlight? Well, yeah.
不过我们仍然在查探波士顿警察局的事，之前有跟你说过的 But we're still prospecting the Boston PD story I told you about.
你能先把它搁置一下吗 Could you set that aside?
可以啊 We could.
马蒂，《焦点》过去之所以取得成功，都要归功于 Marty, in past Spotlight's had success in large part
他们自主选题 because they pick their own projects.
你会考虑选择这个吗？ Would you consider picking this one?
我不知道他会不会把你写进去 I don't know if he's writing about you,
不过我会让他知道你打来电话的 but I will let him know you called.
好的，再见 Okay, bye.
- 嘿 - 嘿，谈得怎么样？ Hey. Hey, how'd it go?
还好吧 Okay. Uh...
巴伦想我们去调查吉欧根的案子 Baron wants us to scrub the Geoghan case.
- 那太好了 - 我们以前报道过吉欧根吧？ - That's great. - Didn't we cover Geoghan?
恩，有名律师声称主教劳早就知情 Yeah, there's a lawyer alleging Cardinal Law knew about it.
- 米奇·加拉贝迪安，对吧？ - 对 - Mmm. Mitch Garabedian, right? - Yeah.
我在法院报道过他 I covered him at the courthouse.
- 你能联系上他吗？ - 我就采访过他一次 - Can you get to him? - I only interviewed him once.
他这人挺怪的 He's kind of a character.
我就喜欢怪人，让我来吧 I like characters. I'll take him.
好，就交给你了 Good. You take him.
另外我们还得跟 Also, we should be talking to, uh,
波特案里受害者的律师谈谈 the lawyer who repped the victims in the Porter case.
埃里克·麦克利什 Eric Macleish. Uh-huh.
- 那家伙超爱上电视 - 波特案？ - That guy was always on TV. - Yeah, the Porter case?
- 给我点提示 - 好，神父波特，案情类似 - Remind me. - Yeah, um, Father Porter, similar story.
10年前在福尔河猥亵了几十个小孩 Molested dozens of kids in Fall River about 10 years ago.
那我们不管波士顿警察局的事了? So, we're dropping the Boston PD?
- 我赞成 - 不是的 - I vote yes. - No, no.
我们只是暂时搁置而已 We just gotta set it aside for now.
听我说，不用我提醒你们也应该知道 Listen, I don't need to tell you guys this.
我们得比往常更加谨慎 We need to be more discreet than usual.
清楚了？ All right?
这件事会吸引所有人的眼球，不只是 先驱报 Everybody's gonna be interested in this, not just the Herald.
在我们搞清楚状况前，别走漏风声让主教劳知道 We can't let Cardinal Law get wind of this until we know what we have.
那得祈求多福了 Good luck with that.
奶奶，你什么时候出发？ So when do you leave, Nana?
大巴会在早上九点到教堂的停车场接我们 The bus is picking us up in the church parking lot at 9:00.
我们总共有40人 We have 40 people going.
神父多米尼克去吗？ And is Father Dominic going?
不去，他说自己运气不好 No, he says he's unlucky.
可是运气根本帮不上一点忙的 But luck has nothing to do with it.
你知道吗，上次奶奶赢了160块 You know, last time Nana won $160. Wow.
你要告诉她吗？ You gonna tell her?
我们都不知道有没有什么能报道的 We don't even know if there's a story yet.
“ 环球报 起诉教会”？，这就够轰动了 Well, "Globe sues church"? It's gonna be a story.
嗨，丽莎，你能把所有提到这的相关剪报文章都找给我吗 Hey, Lisa. Could you pull all the relevant clips on that for me?
好的 Yeah.
这是《焦点》要用的? Is this for Spotlight?
找齐了就拿给我，先谢了 Just drop them off when they're ready? Thanks.
打扰了，你知道出版商的办公室在哪吗？ Excuse me, do you know where the publisher's office is?
那就行 Will do.
马蒂，你好啊 How are you, Marty?
还习惯啊？ Settling in?
- 我觉得还行 - 很好 - Yeah, I think so. - Good.
需要我帮什么忙？ What can I do for you?
我想挑战吉欧根案子的保护令 I'd like to challenge the protective order in the Geoghan case.
你想起诉天主教会？ You want to sue the Catholic Church?
我们现在只是提出个动议，不过嘛 We're just filing a motion, but...
也没错 Yes.
你认为这真的那么重要？ You think it's that important?
是的，我确信 Yes, I do.
因为明显我们会遇到教会的强力抵抗 Because obviously the Church will fight us very hard on this.
而我们的订阅用户肯定会留意到 Which won't go unnoticed by our subscriber base.
里面53%都是天主教徒 53% of them are Catholic.
我认为他们会感兴趣的 I think they'll be interested.
好吧 Okay.
马蒂，神学院可能会联系你 Marty, Lake Street will probably contact you
和主教进行面谈 about a face-to-face with the Cardinal.
这是惯例 It's customary.
恩，他们已经邀请我了，就定在下周 Yeah. They already have. It's set up for next week.
我建议你守口如瓶 I wouldn't mention this.
有人吗？ Hello?
- 有什么事吗？ - 嗨 - Can I help you? - Oh, hi.
我是麦克·雷然斯， 波士顿环球报 的 I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe.
我来这找米奇·加拉贝迪安 I'm here to see Mitchell Garabedian.
他正接听电话，请坐吧 He's on a call. Please have a seat.
好的 Okay.
好吧，我听着，请你继续 All right, I'm listening. Go ahead.
好的 Okay.
比尔，我要的那些文件到底在哪？ Bill! Where the hell are those papers?
我不是叫你放我桌上吗？ I asked you to put 'em on my desk!
大名鼎鼎的沃尔特·罗宾逊光临我的会议室 The famous Walter Robinson in my conference room.
很高兴又见面了，埃里克 Good to see you again, Eric.
这位是萨夏·法伊弗，埃里克·麦克利什 Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish.
- 很高兴见你们 - 一样的 - Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
你不打高尔夫，是吧？ You don't play golf, do you?
- 不打 - 很好 - Uh, no. - Good.
你这位同事去年在一个慈善活动上 Your colleague here took some money off me
可赢了我不少钱 at a charity event last year.
那是撞大运了，老实说吧，其实我刚好闭上眼 It was a very lucky putt. I actually had my eyes closed, by the way.
需要我帮什么忙吗？ So, how can I help you guys?
你熟悉吉欧根的案子吧？ You're familiar with the Geoghan case?
没错 Sure.
原告有80人，都是个人诉讼 Eighty plaintiffs. All of them individual cases.
加拉贝迪安肯定忙得团团转 Garabedian must be swimming.
恩，有对主教劳的指控吗？ Well. And the allegations against Cardinal Law?
恩，挺棘手的 Yeah, it's tricky. Um...
你们得明白一点，这些案子都很不利 This is what you need to understand. These are shitty cases.
诉讼时效只有3年 The statute of limitations is only three years,
而大多数受害者都是过了很多年后才寻求法律帮助 and most of these victims don't come forward until long after that.
为什么会这样？ Oh. Why is that?
他们都是孩子 Well, they're kids, you know.
自责内疚、难以启齿 Guilt, shame.
而且这些受害者大多来自治安差的区域 And most of these kids come from tough neighborhoods.
没人愿意承认这种事 Nobody wants to admit this kind of thing.
所以时限问题你就绕不开 So, you're screwed on the time limit.
并且 And, uh,
就算你能绕过这个问题 even if you argue your way around that
慈善豁免法令规定索赔金额不超过2万元 the charitable immunity statute caps damages at 20 grand.
猥亵一个孩子交2万元就没事了？ Twenty grand for molesting a child?
的确，这个体系就是这样运作的 That is the way the system is set up. Yes.
教会势力强大 The Church is tough.
你的最佳策略是向媒体 So, your best shot is to try these cases
曝光这些案子，波特案我就是这么干的 in the press like I did on Porter.
不过你得明白，大多数受害者 Hmm. But, you know, most of the victims,
是不愿被电视曝光的 they don't wanna have anything to do with TV.
而且 And, uh,
米奇又不怎么招人喜欢 Mitch isn't exactly a people person.
是啊，一旦加拉贝迪安说服不了受害者 Yeah, and if Garabedian can't get his victims
去诉诸媒体，案子就泡汤了 to go before the press, then he's really...
说得没错，他离成功还差得远呢 That's right. He has a long road ahead of him.
我猜测他手上根本没有劳的把柄 My guess is he doesn't have anything on Law.
你认为他是虚张声势？ What? You think he's bluffing or...
我认为他是想引人注目，好谈个好条件 I think he's grandstanding to cut a better deal.
有点孤注一掷啊 Seems a bit reckless.
你还没见过这位米奇·加拉贝迪安吧？ Have you met Mitch Garabedian?
比尔，我只让你起草下动议，没让你把它发出去 I asked you to write up that motion, Bill. I didn't ask you to file it.
嘿，比尔，这是昨天案子的文件 Hey, Bill, here's the case files from yesterday.
嗨 Hi.
- 你是哪位？ - 在下麦克·雷然斯， 波士顿环球报 的 - Who are you? - I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe.
我一小时前跟你预了约 I had an appointment with you about an hour ago.
我没空和你谈，现在太忙了，莎伦！ I can't talk to you. I'm very busy. Sharon!
她去买咖啡了，说等会儿回来 No, no. She went out for coffee. She said she'd be right back.
我现在要跟踪一篇报道 I'm following up on an article.
- 凤凰报 的那篇？ - 不是，我们 环球报 的 - The one in the Phoenix? - No. In the Globe.
你看了 凤凰报 的那篇吗? Did you see the one in the Phoenix?
- 没，还没看 - 我觉得写很不错 - No, I didn't. - I thought it was very good.
我找下复印件给你 I have a copy here somewhere.
不用了，我自己会找来看 That's all right. I'll track it down.
其实我跟踪的是一篇专栏稿 I'm actually following up on a column
艾琳·麦克纳马拉写你上诉的文章 that Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit.
个人上诉，总共有84个 Suits. There are 84 of them.
不是集体诉讼 It's not a class action.
- 你应该先搞清楚的 - 你的确说的对，我应该先做好功课的 - You should get your facts straight. - No, you're right. I should.
我现在想找一些背景资料 So I'm trying to get some background information on...
你没有录音吧? You're not recording this, are you?
没有，要有你的许可我才会录音 No, I wouldn't do that without asking.
如果你来这是想看教会的文件，我现在拿不出来 I can't show you those Church's documents if that's what you're after.
他们还在封存中 They're under seal.
是的，我知道 Yeah, I know that.
你知道他们已经3次试图让 Did you know that they tried to bring me up
马萨诸塞州律师监督委员会来办我？ before the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers three times?
他们关注着我的一举一动 They're watching me very closely.
- 教会？ - 没错，就是教会 - The Church? - Yeah. The Church. Yeah.
他们很想让我我丢掉律师执照，事实上... 别记了 They'd like to get me disbarred. In fact, put that away.
- 别记了 - 好的 - Put it away. - Sure.
我不想你对这次谈话作任何形式的记录 I don't want you recording this in any way, shape or form.
别记纸上，别录音，什么都不行 Not on paper, not on tape, nothing.
事实上，我现在可能都不该跟你谈的 In fact, I probably shouldn't even be speaking to you. So...
听我说，加拉贝迪安先生 Look, Mr. Garabedian,
我明白有些事你是不能跟我谈的 I know there's things you cannot tell me,
不过我也知道这里面有故事 but I also know there's a story here.
而且我认为是重磅故事 And I think it's an important story.
我已经都跟 凤凰报 说了 I already talked to the Phoenix.
知道，可我没看是有原因的 Yeah, and there's a reason I didn't see it.
凤凰报现在读者寥寥 Nobody reads the Phoenix anymore.
他们破产了，没什么影响力 They're broke. They don't have any power.
环球报 却截然相反 The Globe does.
如果我们报道这个故事，会让所有人都知道 If we cover this story, everybody will hear about it.
教会历经数十个世纪，岿然不动，雷然斯先生 The Church thinks in centuries, Mr. Rezendes.
你觉得你们的报纸有实力去一搏吗？ Do you think your paper has the resources to take that on?
我觉得有 Yeah, I do.
不过如果你不介意我问一句 But if you don't mind me asking,
你有吗？ do you?
我现在真没空谈，雷然斯先生，实在是太忙了 I can't talk to you right now, Mr. Rezendes, I'm very, very busy.
- 莎伦 - 谢谢你 - Sharon? Yeah. - Thank you.
至少让我和你的客户谈谈好吗？那些受害者？ Can I at least talk to some of your clients? The victims?
我真的很想见见他们 I'd really like to do that.
- 明天再给我电话，我得考虑考虑 - 谢谢 - Call me tomorrow, I gotta think about it. - Thank you.
- 谢谢 - 好的 - Thanks. - Yeah, yeah.
一种熟悉的模式
87年受到性侵指控，波特现身马萨诸塞州法院
我从图书馆又找到更多的剪报 I got more clips from the library.
就丢在那 Leave 'em right there.
你们找些是要做教会的报道吗？ Are you guys doing a story on the Church?
不是，我们没在做教会的报道 No, we are not doing a story on the Church.
马特, 你有找到菲尔·萨维亚诺这个人的资料吗？ Matt, you find anything on this guy, Phil Saviano?
没有，他是什么人？ No. Who is he?
隶属一个受害者组织 He's part of a victims' organization.
柯吉恩在波特案后做过他的报道 Kurkjian did a story on him right after the Porter case.
还有个受害者组织？ There's a victims' organization?
是啊，叫SNAP Yeah, it's called SNAP.
全称是“神父性侵幸存者互助网” It's Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests.
这简称不怎么样 Crummy acronym.
- 你想让我找他吗？ - 恩，把他找来 - You want me to track him down? - Yeah. Bring him in.
你还需要多长时间才能查完这些剪报文章？ How much longer you need to get through the clips?
我想还得要几天时间，挺多的 I mean, a few days. There's a lot.
- 丽莎还在不停的送过来 - 好的 - Lisa's still sending up more. - Okay.
嘿，我想我又找到了另一个神父 Hey, guys. I think I got another priest.
利亚姆·巴雷特，在费城猥亵了不少小孩 Liam Barrett. Molested some kids in Philly
被调到了波士顿 and was moved to Boston.
继续作案后再被调走 Did the same thing and was moved again.
是真的？听上去像吉欧根啊 Really? That sounds like Geoghan.
这是我们的剪报？ Is that one of our clips?
是的，文章署名迪亚哥·里瓦德内拉，1997年 Yeah. Byline's Diego Ribadeneira, 1997.
肯定是他还在宗教版时做的报道 Must've been back when he was working Religion.
- 有后续报道吗？ - 没什么，就一则小报道 - Was there any folo? - Not much. One short piece.
看上去教会摆平了案子 Huh. The Church settled the case.
你认识吉姆·沙利文吧？ Don't you know Jim Sullivan?
是的，咋啦？ Yeah. Why?
看来教会请他帮的忙 Looks like the Church brought him in to help out.
天啊 Jesus...
除了曼尼还有人能把球打出内野吗？ Has anybody but Manny gotten the ball out of the infield?
- 没人 - 你居然还有心思整那些？ - Nope. - Why do you even bother with that thing?
让我不那么纠结比赛 It distracts me from the game.
不知道还有其他好方法吗？ Know what else is good for that?
对啊，好点子，我请一轮啤酒，马上回来 Oh, yeah. Good idea. My round. I'll be right back.
- 有谁要吃点啥吗？ - 不要 - Anybody want any food? - No.
- 我不需要 - 嘿，给我买个热狗 - I'm all set. - Hey, a hot dog.
你们有取得进展吗？ So you guys making any progress?
- 有啊，这个故事绝对轰动 - 为什么？ - Absolutely. It's a good story. - Why?
因为你这个弃教徒也对教会不满吗 Because you're another lapsed Catholic pissed off at the Church?
- 我们有很多好线索 - 比如？ - We've got a lot of good stuff. - Like what?
我只关心比赛，啥也没听到 I'm just watching the game. Omertà.
我们又发现一名神父，利亚姆·巴雷特 They got another priest, Liam Barrett.
我们报道过他 We reported on him.
- 我只是实话实说 - 好吧 - I'm just saying, we did. - Okay,
不过这家伙每隔几年就会从所在堂区调往别的堂区 but this guy was shuffled around from parish to parish every few years,
就像吉欧根和波特一样 just like Geoghan and Porter.
我觉得这模式很可疑 I think there's a pattern.
感觉没什么料，你们还找到些什么？ Sounds thin. What else you got?
萨夏找到一个受害者组织里的人，菲尔·萨维亚诺 Sacha's got another guy from a victims' organization, Phil Saviano.
SNAP那个吧？我们也报道过他 From SNAP? Oh, boy. We reported on him, too.
史蒂夫，我以为你只关心比赛呢 I thought you were watching the game, Steve.
那家伙太偏执了，麦克 That guy's pretty banged up, Mike.
我们做了几篇关于他的报道 We did a couple stories on him.
那家伙没完没了的写信 That guy would not stop writing letters.
想要大闹特闹 He wants a holy war.
那意思是就不要在他身上浪费时间了？ What? So he's not worth talking to?
加拉贝迪安那你打探的如何？ Where are you on Garabedian?
还在想办法 I'm working on it.
罗比说“麦克利什认为他是虚张声势” Robby said Macleish thinks he's bluffing.
我觉得这里面有情况，本 I think there's something there, Ben.
你最好能找到些真凭实据，不然我得让你放弃 Get me something solid, or I'm taking you off it.
我不希望你们在这上面做无用功 I don't want us chasing our tails on this.
别掉沙坑里 Stay away from that trap.
你打一万杆也飞不到那沙坑里，伙计 You couldn't reach that trap in a million years, partner.
我以前打进去过 I've reached that trap before.
是吗？现在看保罗的了 Yeah? Now Paul, maybe.
- 我们打得如何 - 还行 - How we doing? - We're good.
现在领先2杆 We're two up in the front.
很好 Good.
新来的总编如何？ How's that new editor working out?
除了不喜欢棒球 Well, he doesn't like baseball.
感觉他还是挺能干的 But he seems like a smart guy.
恩，我读到篇有关他的文章 Yeah, I read an article about him.
说他是 环球报 的首任犹太裔总编 Said he's the first Jewish editor at the Globe.
就只有花边新闻可写了啊 Must have been a slow news day.
他有家庭吗？ He got a family, this guy?
没，他没结婚 No. He is not married.
- 离了？ - 我想应该没有吧 - Divorced? - I don't think so, no.
这么说来， 环球报 的新任总编是个讨厌棒球的 So the new editor of the Globe is an unmarried man of the Jewish faith
未婚犹太裔？ who hates baseball?
- 对 - 他们该提拔本的 - Yeah. - Should have given it to Ben.
他可是布莱德里家的人 He's a Bradlee, for crying out loud.
我猜本可能手举得慢了点 Didn't raise his hand fast enough, I guess.
随便问一下 Hey, by the way,
我看了这个神父的报道，神父巴雷特 I've been reading about this priest, Father Barrett.
说你有和他打过交道？ Said you were involved with that.
恩，巴雷特，是个人渣 Barrett, yeah. Bad egg.
神学院请求我的帮助，我就加入了 Lake Street asked for help, I pitched in.
受害者声称主教劳知道巴雷特从费城调来的内情 Victims said Cardinal Law knew about Barrett when he came from Philly.
是真的吗？ Is that true?
罗比，你知道我不可以谈案子的事 You know I can't talk about the case, Robby.
私下谈谈行吗 Off the record?
私下我也不可以谈 Off the record I can't talk about it.
- 好吧 - 这是因为起诉的事？ - All right. - This related to the lawsuit?
你知道了? You know about that?
好吧 Look,
我不认识巴伦这人，或者他打的什么主意 I don't know this guy Baron or what his agenda is.
坦白说我也不在乎 Frankly, I don't care.
我只是不希望你去给他当炮灰 I just don't want to see you taking a bullet for him.
你还别插手吧 I think you're away.
- 放那边去 - 好了走吧 - Put it over here. - Let's go. Let's go.
有一天我打开互联网 So the other day I was on the World Wide Web.
你想要知道什么，那上面都找得到 Anything you want to know. It's right there.
作为一名神父，此刻我得坦白说 Now, I have to admit that as a priest,
这让我有些不安 this makes me a little nervous.
我得担心自己的工作前景吗？ Should I be worried about job security?
应该不用吧 I don't think so.
你们得明白，知识是重要 You see, knowledge is one thing,
可信仰 but faith...
信仰更加重要 Faith is another.
嘿 Hey.
嗨 Hey.
你不是应该去高尔夫什么的吗? Shouldn't you be golfing or something?
是打高尔夫 Golfing's not a verb.
我没预约到开球时间 And I couldn't get a tee time.
他们是这样叫的？“开球时间” Is that what they call it? "Tee time"?
他们也称之为“休闲活动”，你可以尝试下，麦克 They also call it "a leisure activity." You ought to try it, Mike.
- 有啊，我跑步 - 是啊，你跑来工作了 - I do. I run. - Yeah, you run to work.
那你今天来这干嘛？ So why are you here today?
重温这些有关萨维亚诺的剪报文章 Going over these clips of Saviano.
史蒂夫和本认为那是个死胡同 Yep, Ben and Steve think it's a dead end.
看比赛时他们还为这说了我一通 They gave me a bunch of crap about it at the game.
我知道，本发邮件给我了 Yeah, Ben emailed me.
- 他发了？ - 恩 - He did? - Yeah.
他建议我们放弃 He said we should let it go.
那你怎么打算的？ What do you wanna do?
我们把萨维亚诺找来 I wanna bring Saviano in.
那就是无视他们了？ So, just ignore those guys?
我觉得这事上我们得无视所有人的想法 I think we've got to start ignoring everybody on this one.
我没问题 I'm good with that.
你觉得马蒂知道这会引出的后果吗？ Do you think Marty has any idea what's coming down the pike?
不知道吧，我觉得他也不会在乎 Nope. I don't think he cares either.
让人倍感新鲜 That's refreshing.
是啊 Yeah.
除非他错了 Unless he's wrong.
我一直都很向往报纸行业 I've always been fascinated with the newspaper business.
我还在哈佛时，常常和尼曼学者 I used to sit in on the lectures with the Nieman fellows
一同听课 when I was at Harvard.
我了解你曾经当过编辑 I read that you were an editor once.
是的 Oh, yes.
那是很久以前的事了 Yeah, that was a very long time ago.
密西西比记录报 The Mississippi Register.
教区的小报纸 Small, diocesan newspaper.
可对一个30岁的神父来说，感觉责任重大 But for a 30-year-old pastor, it was a big responsibility.
有时候过于沉重 Too much at times.
此话怎讲? How so?
我和埃弗斯兄弟关系很好 I was close with the Evers brothers.
我们共同捍卫公民权利 We took a stand on civil rights.
可我们的读者并不买账 Our readership was not pleased.
他们视我为一个多管闲事的外人 They saw me as a meddling outsider.
我能体会 I can imagine.
处事不容易啊 Tough seat to sit in,
特别是在小城镇 especially in a small town.
马蒂，你可能会发现波士顿在很多方面也表现得 I think you'll find that Boston's still a small town, too, Marty,
像个小城镇 in many ways.
马蒂，如果我能帮得上什么忙的话，尽管开口找我 But if I can be of any help, Marty, don't hesitate to ask.
我发现城市要想繁荣 I find that the city flourishes
离不开它里面伟大机构的齐心协力 when its great institutions work together.
谢谢 Thank you.
不过我个人观点是一份报纸想要成功运作 Personally I'm of the opinion that for a paper to best perform its function,
必须保持独立自主 it really needs to stand alone.
那是当然 Ah. Of course.
不过我的提议没有时效 But my offer still stands.
谢谢你 Thank you.
请进 Come in.
谢谢，莫林 Thank you, Maureen.
一份薄礼，马蒂 A little gift, Marty.
你可以把它当作主教我的波士顿指南 Think of it as a Cardinal's guide to the city of Boston.
《天主教会教理问答》
我来见萨夏·法伊弗 I'm here to see Sacha Pfeiffer.
- 你的名字？ - 菲尔·萨维亚诺 - Your name? - Phil Saviano.
好的，请稍等下 Okay, just a minute.
那我是你们会见的第一个幸存者? So am I the first survivor you've talked to?
菲尔，你说的没错 Yeah, Phil. You are.
那好 Okay, well...
首先，我得感谢你们今天邀请我来 First of all, let me say thank you for having me in today.
另外，我想让你们知道 And I want you to know
我们的受害者组织SNAP会全力配合你们的工作 that you have the full cooperation of my organization, SNAP.
菲尔，你们的组织有多少成员？ How many members are in your organization, Phil?
上次分会我们有11名成员 We had 11 at our last chapter meeting...
噢，10人，凯伦搬走了 Uh, no, 10. Karen just moved.
你们还有女性成员? You had a woman in your group?
当然有女性，他们可不会搞性别歧视 Of course there was a woman. They don't discriminate,
特别是性侵行为 not when it comes to abuse.
而且跟是不是同性恋完全没关系 And this has nothing to do with being gay.
就是简单的神父利用身份来强奸小孩 What this is, is priests using the collar to rape kids.
男孩，女孩都不放过 Kids. Boys and girls.
我11岁时 I was 11,
被神父大卫·霍利性侵 and I was preyed upon by Father David Holley in Worcester.
那可不是被祝福，是被性侵 And I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon.
你们有谁是天主教徒吗？ Are any of you Catholic?
我从小受的是天主教教育，现在陪妻子一同去基督教长老会 I was raised Catholic. Now I go to my wife's Presbyterian church.
我弃教了 I'm lapsed.
不过时不时会陪奶奶去教堂 I go to church with my grandmother sometimes.
我们都是天主教家庭出身没错，不过现在嘛 It's safe to say we were all raised Catholic, but now...
算不上了 Not so much.
那好，我可以告诉你们 Okay. Well, let me tell you.
如果你是穷人家的小孩，宗教地位很重 When you're a poor kid from a poor family, religion counts for a lot.
而当一个神父留意到你时，那可了不得 And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal.
他叫你帮忙收下圣歌集 He asks you to collect the hymnals
或者倒下垃圾，你感觉被特别关照 or take out the trash, you feel special.
就好像主请求你的帮助 It's like God asking for help.
所以他跟你讲黄段子时，你只是觉得有点不对劲 So maybe it's a little weird when he tells you a dirty joke,
可那是你们共同的秘密了，于是你默许合作 but now you got a secret together, so you go along.
然后他会给你看色情杂志，你继续默许合作 Then he shows you a porno mag, and you go along.
你这事合作，那事也合作 And you go along, and you go along,
直到他让你给他手淫或口交的一刻 until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job.
于是你又乖乖合作了 And so you go along with that, too,
因为你感觉无法自拔 because you feel trapped,
因为他一手调教了你 because he has groomed you.
很难拒绝天主，对吧？ How do you say no to God, right?
这么说吧 See,
重要的是明白这不仅仅是对肉体的侵犯 it is important to understand that this is not just physical abuse,
也是对心理的侵犯 it's spiritual abuse, too.
当一个神父对你犯下这种事，他就剥夺了你的信仰 And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith.
于是你借助酒精或是毒品来麻痹自己 So you reach for the bottle or the needle.
如果那样也无法解脱，你就只能跳桥自尽 Or if those don't work, you jump off a bridge.
这就是我们称自己幸存者的缘由 That's why we call ourselves survivors.
你们看过杰森·贝里的书吗 Have you read Jason Berry's book?
写的是路易斯安娜州的戈特案 He wrote about the Gauthe case in Louisiana?
- G什么？ - G-e-t-e - Uh, that's "G"... - G-A-U-T-H-E.
这有理查德·赛培的联系方式 Here. And talk to Richard Sipe.
他在一家教会治疗中心工作 He worked in one of the Church's treatment centers.
他以前是名神父 He's an ex-priest,
娶了个修女 married a nun.
这个 Here.
这是他在科斯案上的证词 This is his testimony from the Kos case.
菲尔，你说的治疗中心是什么？ Uh, Phil, what's a treatment center?
是他们安置那些丑行败露的神父的地方 It's where they send priests when they get caught.
全在这盒子里了 This is all right here in the box,
我5年前就把这一切都寄给了你们 I sent this all to you guys five years ago.
我们 环球报 ？你寄给谁了？ Uh, to the Globe? Who did you send it to?
我不想说是谁，不过他们回复说不感兴趣 I don't wanna say who, but they said that they weren't interested.
可是，菲尔，我们有做过几篇关于你的报道 Uh, but Phil, we did run a couple of stories on you.
我在剪报上看到了 I saw them in the clips.
是的，可是坦白说吧，那完全不够 Yeah, but to be completely frank, it wasn't enough.
你们得明白 You guys gotta understand,
这事太严重了 this is big.
不只是限在波士顿，而是波及全国、全球 This is not just Boston. It's the whole country. It's the whole world.
而且直指梵蒂冈 And it goes right up to the Vatican.
菲尔，你能拿出什么证据吗？ Do you have any proof of that, Phil?
还拿不出，可是仔细想想吧，他们可是到处都是 No, not yet. But think about it, there are so many of them.
不然他们怎么能隐藏这么久 How else could they have hidden it for so long?
- 都谁啊？ - 神父！ - So many what? - Priests!
神父！ Priests!
光波士顿我就知道13个 I know of 13 right here in Boston.
你知道在波士顿就有13个猥亵小孩的神父？ You know 13 priests in Boston who have molested children?
是啊，你干嘛要重复我的话？ Yeah, why do you keep repeating everything I say?
我只是想搞清楚 I just like to clarify things.
或许你5年前就该搞清楚 Maybe you should have clarified it five years ago
那时我把这一切都寄给了你们 when I sent you all of this stuff!
全都在这里了 It's all right here!
可以用下你们的洗手间吗？ May I use your bathroom?
当然可以，菲尔 Yeah, sure, Phil.
跟我来 Come on.
你们的看法是？ Well, what do you think?
这家伙目的是很明确的 Well, the guy, he's got an agenda, that's for sure.
- 你这么认为? - 他明显经历了不少事 - You think? - He's obviously been through a lot.
不过挺有头脑，而且他说的13个神父的事如果是真的 But he's smart, and if he's right about 13 priests...
恩，得先确定他说的是否属实 Yeah, it might be a big "if" with this guy.
调查下他的背景 Do a background check on him,
另外再找这个组织的其他成员谈谈 and follow up with some of the other survivors of his group.
我去找下这个前神父赛培 I'll track down this ex-priest, Sipe.
好吧，不过加拉贝迪安也要继续跟进，那个更重要 Okay, but stay on Garabedian. That's more important.
加拉贝迪安, 真是个麻烦的家伙 Garabedian, what a pain in the ass.
麦克，你有时也挺麻烦的 You can be a pain in the ass, Mike.
米奇, 怎么这么巧？最近如何啊 Mitchell, what a surprise. How are you?
我很好，雷然斯先生 I'm fine, Mr. Rezendes. Good.
那好，我给你留了好多次言，可一直没收到你的回音 You know, I haven't heard back from you. I left you a couple of messages.
我知道，不过我实在是太忙了，没工夫和你谈 I know. I've been very busy. I don't have time for calls.
天啊，我相信你很忙 Oh, jeez, I'm sure you don't.
不过听我说好吗，米奇，让我跟几个受害者谈谈行吗 Listen, listen, Mitch, let me talk to a couple of the victims.
你可以陪同采访 You could sit in on the interview,
如果你对采访不满意，可以随时终止 and if you're not happy, you could kill it.
我跟我的客户说过，可他们不愿意上媒体，很抱歉 I spoke to my clients, and they don't want to be in the press. I'm sorry.
我理解，不过我可以不提他们的名字 I get that, but I don't need to name names.
- 我信不过你，雷然斯先生 - 你有你的理由 - I don't believe you, Mr. Rezendes. - I'm sure you don't.
- 我信不过你 - 听我说，米奇 - I don't. - Listen, Mitchell.
雷然斯先生，请别... Look, Mr. Rezendes, please...
我不是要写受害者什么的 I'm not writing a profile here.
- 我是在做个更轰动的 - 轰动？ - I'm working on something bigger. - Bigger?
我不清楚那是什么意思 I don't know what that means.
我不该向你透露这个的 I'm not supposed to tell you this,
我其实是替《焦点》挖材料 but I'm digging around for Spotlight.
- 《焦点》要做这个？ - 是的，我们正在进行调查， - Spotlight's on this? - Yeah, we're looking into it,
可是你得帮帮我 but you gotta help me.
你一定要让我跟这些受害者谈谈，求你了 You gotta let me talk to some of these victims, please.
求你了 Please.
明天早上9点半再过来 Come back tomorrow. 9:30 a.m.
谢谢 Thank you.
- 法伊弗女士 - 乔 - Ms. Pfeiffer? - Joe?
- 嗨 - 糟糕 - Hi. - Oh, shoot.
- 没事的 - 抱歉 - Oh, that's okay. - Sorry.
- 没事的 - 请坐 - No, no problem. - Please sit.
谢谢 Thank you.
需要换桌子吗？ Is this table okay?
这就挺好的 This is perfect.
我边等边吃了个松饼 I had a muffin while I was waiting.
实话说是2个 Two, actually.
- 我紧张时就想着吃 - 其实我也是一样 - I eat when I'm nervous. - I do that, too, actually.
我没迟到吧？菲尔跟我说的是1点钟 I hope I'm not late. Phil told me 1:00.
没有，你来的很准时，是我先到这 No, you're fine. I got here early.
提前1小时来的 About an hour.
你不介意我作些记录吧，那样有问题吗？ Um, would you mind if I took some notes? Would that be all right?
你不介意我作下记录吧？ You don't mind if I take some notes, do you?
- 你要提我的名字吗？ - 不会 - Are you going to use my name? - No.
没你许可是不会的 Not if you don't want me to. No.
我的小孩 I just had a kid.
才刚1岁，我还不确定想不想让他知道 He's only one, but I'm not sure I want him to know about this.
明白，完全能理解 Sure. I get that.
帕特里克，你可以随时终止这个采访 You can stop this interview at any time, Patrick.
- 好吗？ - 好的 - All right? - Okay.
你可以作记录 Go ahead with your notes.
好的，那么... Okay. So, um...
最早发生时你住在哪里？ Where'd you live when it first happened?
海德公园旁的一处住所 In the projects, over in Hyde Park.
超市过去一点？ Over by the Stop & Shop?
是的，你去过那？ Yeah, you know it?
是的，我开过几年出租车 Yeah, I drove a cab for a few years.
那开门早，咖啡难喝，对吧？ Open early. Bad coffee, right?
应该是吧 Yeah, I guess.
那事发生时你多大？ How old were you when it happened?
我12岁 I was 12.
就在我爸自杀后 Just after my dad killed himself.
天啊 Ah, jeez.
他是个烂人 He was a real piece of shit.
而我妈也不怎么正常 And my mom, she wasn't so stable either.
- 你的意思是？ - 我意思是她疯了 - How do you mean? - I mean, she was nuts.
- 是精神分裂 - 还不是一回事 - She was a schizophrenic. - Same shit.
你第一次见吉欧根是什么时候？ When did you first meet Geoghan?
是我姐姐 Well, my sister,
她买甜甜圈时遇到他 she saw him over in the Dunkin' Donuts.
跟他说了我爸刚去世的事情，他立马就过来了 Tells him about my old man passing, and he rushed right over.
有个叫芭芭拉的修女 And there was this nun, Sister Barbara,
她负责一个专收问题家庭孩子的机构 and she ran this group for kids from troubled families.
是在什么地方？ Where was that?
- 多尔切斯特的安布罗斯街 - 好的 - St. Ambrose in Dorchester. - Okay.
是她把我介绍给神父尚利的 She's the one who introduced me to Father Shanley.
他是上门传教的神父 He was a street priest.
长发，很嬉皮的样子 Long hair. Very hip.
他邀请我去他后湾区的家里 He invited me to his apartment in Back Bay.
- 后湾区在哪？ - 在灯塔街 - Where in Back Bay? - Beacon Street.
灯塔街，好的 Beacon. Okay.
你是本地人吗？ Are you from here?
不是，我在俄亥俄州长大，不过我妈是南波士顿的 Uh, no. I grew up in Ohio, but my mom's from Southie.
那你应该明白，我从来都没去过后湾区 Okay, so you get it. I'd never even seen Back Bay.
那第一次拜访发生了什么？乔 So what happened on that first visit, Joe?
一开始气氛很融洽 Well, he was very nice at first,
很幽默也很随意 very funny, very casual.
我觉得他看出我是同性恋 And I think he could tell I was gay,
于是他给我看他的风动饰物，像挂在婴儿床上的那种？ so he showed me this mobile he had, like, over a baby's crib?
不过上面的词却完全不同 But with different words.
“同性恋，变性人，双性恋之类的” "Homosexual, transsexual, bisexual."
好的，那你当时知道自己是同性恋吗？ Okay, and did you know you were gay at that time, Joe?
知道 Yeah.
不过这个秘密我没跟任何人说 But that wasn't information I was sharing with anybody.
在多尔切斯特肯定不敢 Not in Dorchester.
那好 Okay.
他给你看了风动饰物后发生了什么？ So, what happened after he showed you the mobile?
我有点吓到了 Well, I was a little freaked out.
我觉得他看穿我了 I think he could tell,
他于是提议我玩脱衣扑克，说那样可以缓解气氛 so he said, "You know what'll help is if we play strip poker."
我根本不是对手 Course I lost.
接下来事情就一发不可收拾了 And, uh, things went on from there.
你能具体告诉我发生了什么吗? Can you tell me specifically what happened?
具体说，他... Specifically, he...
他猥亵了我 He molested me.
乔，我认为在这里用的语言是重中之重 Joe, I think that the language is going to be so important here.
我们不能一笔带过，只说猥亵是不够的 We can't sanitize this. Just saying "molest" isn't enough.
大家得知道具体发生了什么 People need to know what actually happened.
- 我们应该喝点咖啡再继续 - 那好 - We should probably get these to go. - Right.
吉欧根出现在我家，我妈，她简直... Geoghan shows up, and my mom, you know, she's...
激动得不得了 She's thrilled. I mean...
就好像主大驾光临一样，明白吗？ This was like God showing up, you know?
恩，明白 Sure. Right.
那之后发生了什么？ So what happened then?
你真的想听这些恶心的事？ You really want to hear this shit?
是的，帕特里克，我当然要听 Yeah. Yeah, Patrick, I do.
他提出要请我吃冰淇淋 He offers to take me to get ice cream.
他是个神父，而我小孩一个，就跟他走了 And, you know, he's a priest. I'm a kid, so I go.
- 明白 - 于是在送我回家的路上，他... - Sure. - So we're driving home and he...
他开始拍我的腿 He starts patting my leg,
然后 you know, then
他的手就直接滑了上去，抓住了我的生殖器 his hand just slides right up, and he grabs my dick.
我一下就僵住了，吓得动都不敢动 You know, I just froze up. I was fucking petrified, I couldn't move.
我一个小孩，根本不知道该怎么办 I didn't know what to do. I was just a little kid.
是的 Yeah.
我根本碰都没碰我的冰淇淋 You know, I never even touched my ice cream.
就让它化了我一手 It just melted down my arm.
那你... Did you, um...
你之后还有见他吗？ Did you see him again after that?
有 Yeah.
好了，很不错，今天就到这吧 All right. That's good. Let's stop there for now.
好的 Sure.
他说这样可以令我对自己的身体感到更加自在 He said it was a way to make me more comfortable with my body.
那之后又发生了什么？ So what happened after that?
他脱掉身上的衣服，然后说 Well, he took off his clothes, and he said,
“我心情很低落， "I've been so depressed,
或许你可以给我口交好让我开心开心” "but maybe you can cheer me up and give me a blow job."
很能装的家伙 Classy guy.
- 那你照做了吗？ - 是的 - And did you? - Yeah.
我知道你肯定会有些想法，比如我为什么要那样做 I know what you must be thinking, like, why would I ever do that
跟这个变态，还比我大30岁，不过... to some creepy guy who's 30 years older than me, but...
你得明白这是在我生命里头一回 What you have to understand is that this is the first time in my life
有人告诉我同性恋并没什么不好 that someone told me that it was okay to be gay. Mmm-hmm.
而且还是名神父 And it was a priest. Right.
那你给他口交了？有发生性关系吗？ So you had oral sex. Did you have intercourse?
有 Yes.
不是当时，后来的事了 Not then, but later.
那真的毁了我 It really messed me up.
我现在洁身自爱，不过那就是一切噩梦的开始 I'm sober now, but that... That was the beginning of it all.
那让人非常困惑，明白吗？ It's very confusing, you know,
以那样的方式去了解性爱，然后... to be introduced to sex like that and then...
然后从此喜欢上男人 And then to be attracted to men, it's...
真抱歉，我就知道自己会这样 I'm sorry. I knew I was gonna do this.
- 很抱歉 - 不用道歉 - Oh, I'm sorry. - Don't be sorry.
没事的，乔，没事的 It's okay, Joe. It's okay.
当然那边就是个教堂 Of course there is a church right there.
还带个游乐场 And a playground.
乔，你有告诉过任何人吗？ Joe, did you ever try and tell anyone?
告诉谁？神父吗？ Like who? A priest?
我能用下你的电话吗？ Can I use your phone?
当然可以，去用就是了 Yeah, sure. You know where it is.
你想的话就提我的名字 You can use my name if you want.
谢谢，帕特里克 Thanks, Patrick.
不用谢我，要把这些人渣绳之以法，好吗？ Don't thank me, just get these assholes, will you?
他是幸运者之一 He's one of the lucky ones.
他还活着 He's still alive.
你要杯茶吗，萨夏？ Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha?
不用了，奶奶，谢谢 I'm okay, Nana. Thanks. Okay.
- 你好 - 嗨，乔，是我，萨夏·法伊弗 - Hello. - Hi, Joe, it's Sacha Pfeiffer.
萨夏，你好吗？ - 我很好，谢谢 Hi, Sacha. How are you? - I'm good, thanks.
乔，我只是想再问清楚一件事 Listen, Joe, I just wanted to follow up on one thing.
这些事你都给菲尔·萨维亚诺讲过，对吧？ You talked to Phil Saviano about all of this, right?
恩，讲过，我参加过几次SNAP的会议 Yeah, I did. I went to a couple of SNAP meetings.
那菲尔有建议你采取什么行动吗？ And did Phil ever suggest you do anything about it?
没有 No.
会议并不是讨论那些的 The meetings weren't really about that.
我们的成员里有找过律师的 I mean, a couple of them had gone to a lawyer,
可我并不认为值得尝试 but I didn't think it was worth it.
为什么不？ Why not?
有太多填不完的表格 There were just so many forms to fill out.
让人难以承受，明白吗？ It was overwhelming, you know.
并且他说最多只能帮我索赔一小笔钱 And he said it could only get me a small settlement, so...
- 谁跟你说的？ - 律师跟我说的 - Who, who said that? - The lawyer told me that.
那你还是找了律师？ So you did go and see a lawyer?
是的，不过我最后并没有请他 Yeah, but I didn't end up using him,
我认为那并不重要 so I didn't think it was important.
抱歉，我并不是想隐瞒什么 I'm sorry. I'm not trying to hide anything.
不用，乔，我能理解 No, I know, Joe.
你记得那个律师的名字吗？ Do remember his name? The lawyer?
不记得了，菲尔或许知道 No, but maybe Phil would know.
那家伙在波特案时经常上电视 The guy was on TV a lot during the Porter case.
还挺帅的 He was handsome.
是叫埃里克·麦克利什吗？ Was it Eric Macleish?
对，就是他，麦克利什 Yeah, that's it. Macleish.
我觉得他很帅 I thought he was very handsome.
- 嗨 - 嗨 - Hey. - Hey.
我刚从编辑部听到，法官斯维尼定下了听证会的日期 I was just in the newsroom. Judge Sweeney set a date for the hearing.
真的，哪一天？ Really? When?
两周后，在斯普林菲尔德 Two weeks, in Springfield.
坎内罗斯开了个10元入场的盘 Canellos started a pool. Ten bucks to get in.
有人下注 环球报 吗？ Anyone picking the Globe?
他只赌斯维尼多快会判我们输 He's only taking bets on how fast Sweeney rules against us.
- 罗比 - 嗨 ，是我 - Robby. - Hi, it's me.
- 你收到我发的消息没？ - 收到了 - Did you get my message? - I did.
神父尚利可能是我们的第四位目标 Looks like Father Shanley could be our fourth priest.
是的，我也这么认为 Yeah, I think he is.
你有继续查麦克利什吗？ Did you follow up with Macleish?
我刚跟菲尔通过电话 I just talked to Phil.
他说麦克利什接手了好多起这类案子 He said Macleish dealt with a number of these cases.
- 我猜他忘了跟我们提及此事 - 是啊 - Guess he forgot to mention that. - Yeah.
我明天会去法院瞧瞧 I'm gonna go to the courthouse tomorrow,
看能不能找到任何他代理的教会案子的记录 see if I can find any cases he settled against the Church.
好的，找到的话就通知我，再见 All right. Call me after you do. Good night.
好的，再见 Okay, good night.
嗨 Hey.
你想找我谈谈? You wanted to chat?
恩，我赶不上晚餐了，你可以陪我一起出去吗? Yeah, I'm late for a dinner. You wanna walk me out?
好啊 Sure.
天啊 Jeez.
- 那家伙有回过家吗？ - 明显没有 - Does this guy ever go home? - Apparently not.
我有些手下不敢比他早走 I got guys who won't leave till he does.
编辑部的人要被他累死了 He's wearing out the goddamn newsroom.
吉欧根案我们查到哪了？ Where are we on Geoghan?
正查找更多的受害者 Following up on more victims.
我想扩大调查范围 Hey, I want to expand the investigation.
- 为什么？ - 我们又找到第4名神父 - Why? - We got a fourth priest.
而且可能会多达13人 There might be as many as 13.
- 13人? - 是啊 - Thirteen? - Yeah.
- 来源是谁？ - 菲尔·萨维亚诺 - Who's your source? - Phil Saviano.
- 天啊，罗比，我跟麦克说过 - 我知道的 - Oh, Jesus Christ, Robby, I told Mike... - I know, I know...
我觉得萨维亚诺说的是实话，本 I think Saviano might be legit, Ben.
你能给我解释下吗？ You wanna elaborate on that?
不，还不行 No. Not really.
只是感觉这些线索开始连起来了，是我的直觉 It just feels like this thing's stacking up. It's my gut.
- 好吧 - 那就好 - Okay. - Okay. Good.
谢谢 Thank you.
喂？ Hello?
- 雷然斯先生？ - 是的，你是哪位？ - Mr. Rezendes? - Uh, yeah. Who's this?
我是理查德·赛培 It's Richard Sipe.
- 哦，你好啊，理查德 - 我很好 - Oh, yeah. Hey, Richard, how are you? - I'm good.
感谢你打电话过来 Uh, thanks for calling. Look...
是菲尔·萨维亚诺给我你的联系方式 Phil Saviano gave me your name.
我想能不能问你几个问题？ I was wondering if I can ask you a few questions.
当然可以 - 那太好了 - Of course. Yeah. - Great.
菲尔告诉我你在巴尔的摩的 So, Phil told me that you were working
一所教会治疗中心工作? at one of the Church's treatment centers in Baltimore?
是的，西顿精神病研究所 Yes. The Seton Psychiatric Institute.
由仁爱修女会运作 It was run by the Daughters of Charity.
那是什么时候的事，理查德？ And, uh, when was that, Richard?
我1965年开始我的精神疗法研究员职位 Well, I started my psychotherapy fellowship there in 1965,
我在那做了5年 and I was there for five years,
然后在那之后的30年里研究性侵神父和他们的受害者 but I spent the next 30 studying abusive priests and their victims.
真的？ Really?
那你就是你唯一的研究项目? And that's been your sole focus?
听我说，麦克 Look, Mike,
教会想让我们相信这只是少数的害群之马 the Church wants us to believe that it's just a few bad apples.
可实际情况要严重的多 But it's a much bigger problem than that.
有多严重，理查德？ How much bigger, Richard?
根据我的研究 Well, based on the research,
我会把它定义为可辨认的精神病现象 I would classify it as a recognizable psychiatric phenomenon.
那么严重啊 That's big.
- 嗨，马克 - 嗨 - Hey, Mac. - Hey.
如果我想找神父的历史数据 If I wanted historical data on a priest,
像他被派往哪些堂区 parishes he'd been assigned to,
我该去哪找？ where would I find that?
和吉欧根案有关？剪报里都有啊，丽莎可以给你原件 The Geoghan case? It's all in the clips. Lisa has the source material.
恩，如果我想找另一个神父呢？ Yeah, what if it was for another priest?
没报道过的那种 One that hadn't been in the papers.
- 还要找别的神父？ - 你现在要找谁？ - You're looking at another priest? - Who're you looking at?
有建议吗？ Any ideas?
马特，不是吧，跟我还保密啊？ Oh, come on, Matt, you're not going to tell me?
我得赶去开会了，谢谢，马克 I gotta get to a meeting. Thanks, Mac.
嘿，斯蒂夫 Hey, Steve.
大主教区每年都发布花名录 The archdiocese puts out an annual directory.
- 记录所有堂区和神父 - 太好了 - Every priest and parish. - That's great.
这里有98年以前的吗？ Do these go back any further than '98?
有啊，夹楼层里有80年代的 Oh, yeah. Going back to the '80s in the mez.
再早一些的你就得去波士顿图书馆找了 Beyond that you gotta go to the BPL.
- 在夹楼层啊？谢谢你，丽莎 - 错不了 - In the mez, huh? Thanks, Lisa. - You bet.
他说他们下手的小孩都很类似 He said they all target the same kind of kid.
贫困家庭，父爱缺失，离异家庭 Low-income families, absentee fathers, broken homes.
像吉欧根这些家伙对小孩下手，不是因为他们有什么偏爱 So a guy like Geoghan goes after boys not because he prefers them,
而是因为这类小孩很窘迫 but because they have more shame.
不易揭发他们 Less likely to talk.
这些家伙都是禽兽，罗比 These guys are predators, Robby.
我跟赛培谈了，他说光60年代在西顿 And I talked to Sipe. He said he'd seen dozens of them
就见了几十个这类神父 in the '60s in Seton.
他称之为“一种现象” He called it a "phenomenon."
- 他为什么不公之于众？ - 他尝试过 - Why didn't he go public? - He did,
不过教会花了很多功夫诋毁他 but the Church made a huge effort to discredit him.
各种抹黑行动，还有地位显著的主教出来反驳 Smear campaigns, public statements by prominent bishops.
就和萨维亚诺和加拉贝迪安说的完全吻合 It's just like Saviano said, and Garabedian.
你从他那还问到些什么？ You getting anywhere with him?
- 更多的受害者 - 更多的受害者? - More victims. - More victims.
- 你不能让他全盘托出？ - 我会搞定他的 - You can't empty his pockets? - I'll get to him.
- 只是需要多点时间 - 麦克，加把劲 - I just need more time. - Oh, come on, Mike.
- 你一定要搞定他 - 会的，我肯定办到 - You gotta get him. - I'll get him, I'll get him.
天哪，这是什么气味？ Jesus. What the hell is that smell?
角落里有只死老鼠 There's a dead rat in the corner.
- 你找到些什么？ - 教会的花名录 - What have you got? - Church directories.
马萨诸塞州的神父全在这里面 It's every priest in Massachusetts.
他们负责哪个堂区 What parish they're assigned to.
- 这是官方的？ - 恩 - Are these official? - Yeah.
我想这个可以帮助我们追查 I figured it could help us track down
萨维亚诺提到的那些个神父 some of the priests that Saviano mentioned.
也许能找到更多的受害者 Maybe find some more victims.
- 能多开几盏灯吗？ - 我没找到开关 - Can we turn on some more lights? - I couldn't find the switch.
- 你想用我的眼镜吗？ - 不用，我不需要 - You wanna borrow my glasses? - No, I'm good. I'm good.
看这里，1983年，约翰·吉欧根，多尔切斯特，布兰登街堂区 Look, 1983. John Geoghan, St. Brendan Parish, Dorchester.
那这样我们可以找出任意年份任意神父所在的堂区？ So we can find out where any priest is in any given year?
恩，这里又有他 Yeah, I got him here at...
哈 Huh.
怎么了？ What?
1980年，吉欧根从牙买加平原堂区调出，上面说他是因病离职 1980, the year Geoghan was pulled from JP. It says he's on sick leave.
不是吧，真这么说的？ Come on. It really says that?
1991年的在哪？ Where is, uh, 1991?
- 这里，我拿给你 - 我们来找找 - Here ya go. - Let me see this.
巴雷特，巴雷特，利亚姆 Barrett. Barrett. Liam.
我看不清，帮我找下利亚姆·巴雷特 I can't read that. Look for a Liam Barrett in there.
1991年，他们把他从查尔斯顿调走 1991's the year they pulled him out of Charlestown.
利亚姆·巴雷特 Barrett, Liam.
- 恩 - “因病离职” - Yeah. - "Sick leave."
这是官方说法 It's an official designation.
把这些都拿到楼上去 Let's get these upstairs.
马特，逐个查找萨维亚诺提到的那些神父 And, Matt, check on those priests Saviano gave us.
- 罗比 - 我现在在法院 Robby. Yeah. - Hey, I'm down at the courthouse.
- 有些不对劲啊 - 萨夏，这里没有任何尚利的记录 - Something's not right here. - Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha.
好的，谢谢 Okay, thanks.
我们得再去找麦克利什一趟 Yeah, we need to go talk to Macleish again.
真的？为什么？ - 因为法院什么都查不到 Really, why? - Huh? There's nothing here.
我每个名字都找了，没有任何记录 There aren't any records, I checked every name.
抱歉，让你们久等了，有个电话耽搁了 Thanks for waiting. So sorry, guys. Stuck on a call.
- 没什么，你好吗？ - 很好 - Not a problem. How are you? - Good.
- 多谢会见我们 - 必须的，又怎么了? - Thanks for meeting us. - You bet. What's up, guys?
麦克利什先生，你认识一个叫保罗·尚利的神父吗？ Mr. Macleish, are you familiar with a priest named Paul Shanley?
是的，我认识他 Yes, I am familiar with him.
那你调解过针对神父尚利的案子吗？ And have you settled cases against Father Shanley?
我想你们应该明白，我是不能跟你们透露案子的事 As I'm sure you can understand, I can't discuss that with you.
那神父罗纳德·帕奎因呢？ How about, uh, Father Ronald Paquin?
那个我同样不能跟你们谈，别这样好吗 Well, I can't discuss that with you either. Come on, guys.
我们了解他们每一个人，你都调解过好几起案子 We understand you've settled several cases against each of them.
就算我有经手过这些案子 Even if I'd been involved in those cases,
结果也是要保密的 the settlements would be confidential,
只要承认它们的存在，我就会被吊销律师执照 and I could be disbarred for acknowledging their existence.
明白？ Okay?
我跟你们说过，这都是些难办的案子 Look, I told you guys, these are tough cases.
大多数受害者只是希望对所发生的事情 Most of these folks, they just want some acknowledgment
能得到某种承认 of what happened.
我安排他们和主教见个面，拿点赔偿金 We got 'em a sit-down with the bishop and a little dough,
这就是他们能指望的最好结果了 and that's the best they could hope for.
那肯定是神父能指望的最好结果吧 Well, it's certainly the best the priests could hope for.
不是，教会承诺会排除再使用这些神父 No, the Church promised they'd take the priests out of circulation.
那你有跟踪了解吗？ And did you follow up on that?
你们还有别的事吗？ Do you guys need anything else?
还有，为什么没有任何记录？ Yes. Why aren't there any records?
我先前去了法院 I was down at the courthouse earlier.
没找到任何有关这些案件调解的记录 There aren't any records of any of these settlements.
我们是直接和教会打交道 We dealt directly with the Church.
我们商讨一个索赔函，然后发给给主教办公室 We would draw up a demand letter and send it to the chancery.
你从没在法院备过案？ You never filed anything in court?
这是私下调解 It's a private mediation.
那么，就只是你和大主教区的律师 So, this is just you and the archdiocese's lawyers
闭门商议？ in a room?
没错 Correct.
还有其他人参与吗？ Anyone else?
有时教会会找来别的辩护律师帮忙 Occasionally, the Church would bring in another defense attorney to help out.
能透露名字吗？ You have names?
不行 Nope.
我不能透露 No, I don't.
这一切都是私下解决的？ So this was all under the table?
根本没有任何文件记录 There's no paper trail. At all.
受害者必须签署一份保密协议 The victim has to sign a confidentiality agreement
才能获得赔偿 to get the settlement.
律师抽取1/3的佣金，而教会摆平一切 The lawyer takes a third and the Church sweeps it under the rug.
天啊，这成了不法勾当 Jeez, it's a freakin' racket.
没有那么简单 It's more complicated than that.
麦克利什的责任就是替他的客户尽可能争取最好的条件 Macleish's got a duty to the client to get the best deal he can.
是，可你要从多少个这样的受害者身上赚够钱后 Sure, but how many victims do you represent and profit from
才良心发现 before you say something?
加拉贝迪安绝不会同意 Garabedian would say none.
所以他才会去法院解决这些案子 That's why he's taking these cases to court
因为他想把真相公之于众 because he wants people to know about this.
我同意，法律操守先不说，本 I agree. And legal ethics aside, Ben,
我觉得麦克利什的这种做法 I mean, operating the way Macleish has
就快等同于帮忙掩盖性侵行为 all but guarantees that the abuse stays under wraps.
是啊，麦克利什证实了萨维亚诺指控的那些神父吗? Yeah. Did Macleish confirm all Saviano's priests?
没有，他签署的保密协议让他无能为力 No. He's limited by his confidentiality agreement.
可他明显调解了很多与这些神父有关的案子 But clearly he's settled cases against a number of them.
靠菲尔牵线搭桥，我联系上了其他一些受害者 Phil's put me in touch with some of the other victims,
我有信心把他指控的神父逐一确认 I'm pretty confident all of his priests are gonna check out.
那就是13名神父？ So it is 13 priests?
恩，基本跑不了 Yeah. Looks that way.
天啊 Holy shit.
好吧，继续加油 Okay. Keep going.
天主教慈善晚会 "宾客名单"
抱歉，能再说遍你的名字吗？ I'm sorry. What was the name again?
巴伦 Uh, Baron.
B-A-L-U-N B-A-R-O-N.
我一直没找到，再等一会儿 I'm having trouble finding it. Just give me a second.
没事的，金姆，我可以替他担保 It's okay, Kim, I can vouch for him.
在下皮特·康利，是天主教慈善会的董事 I'm Pete Conley, I'm on the board of Catholic Charities.
欢迎来到波士顿，巴伦先生 Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron.
- 谢谢 - 感谢你的大驾光临 - Thank you. - I appreciate you joining us.
我们对自己在波士顿的善举也很自豪 We're very proud of the work we do here at Boston.
主教大人说跟你有过愉快的会面 Oh, the Cardinal said you had a nice visit.
是的，我们见过了 Yes, we did.
他可是个了不起的人物，我很高兴你们有机会聊聊 He's an extraordinary man. I'm glad you had a chance to chat.
玩的开心吗? Enjoying yourself?
老实说，在这种场合交际我不太擅长 Uh, to be honest, these events aren't really my strong suit.
- 了解 - 你也是这个慈善会的？ - Yeah. - Are you involved with the charity?
没有，没有直接关系，我一些朋友有参与 Not directly, no. Several of my friends are.
都是一个中学的同学，波士顿大学附属中学 We all went to high school. BC High.
就是 环球报 街对面的学校 That's the school across the street from the Globe.
- 经常能见面 - 没错 - It's hard to miss. - Yeah.
明显想躲也躲不开 Hard to get away from, too, apparently.
如果你还坚持的话，主教就在那边的角落 The Cardinal's in the corner if you're so inclined.
- 我们已经见过了 - 真的？ - We've met. - Really?
他有提到起诉的事吗？ Did he mention the suit?
没有，不过他确送了我一本《教义问答》 No, but he did give me a copy of the catechism.
恩，主教的风格就是不爱拐弯抹角 Yeah, well, the Cardinal's not known for his subtlety.
波特案调查期间 During the Porter investigation,
他真的是请出了上帝来对付 环球报 he'd literally called down the power of God on the Globe.
那发生了什么？ How'd that play out?
一周后，我们的编辑滑雪时摔断腿 A week later our editor broke his leg skiing.
要鲜虾土司吗，先生们？ Shrimp toast, gentlemen?
不用了，谢谢 No, thanks. No.
你说，有个受害者提起了刑事诉讼？ You said one of the victims filed a criminal complaint?
恩，有为数不多的几个 Yeah, there were a few of them.
不过在教会的朋友投诉后 But the judge had the case records sealed
法官就把案件档案封存了 after friends of the Church complained.
教会的朋友可是无处不在 And the Church has a lot of friends.
比如埃里克·麦克利什？ Like Eric Macleish?
恩 Yeah.
让我们这么说吧，他属于应急预案 Let's just say he's not part of the solution.
- 你明白我说的意思吗？ - 明白 - You follow what I'm saying? - Sure.
你工作很拼命啊，雷然斯先生 You work hard, Mr. Rezendes.
- 结婚了吗？ - 结了 - Are you married? - Yeah.
老婆不介意你整天只顾着工作？ Your wife doesn't mind you working all the time?
她当然介意 Oh, yeah, she does.
那就是我不结婚的原因，我太忙了 That's why I never got married. I'm too busy.
我做的工作太重要了 What I do is too important.
你们的新总编是犹太裔，对吧？ Your new editor, he's a Jew right?
- 说的没错 - 哦 - Oh, that's right, yeah. - Yeah, see,
他一上任，突然间所有人都盯上了教会 he comes in and suddenly everybody's interested in the Church.
你知道原因吗？ You know why?
因为这种事要靠外来者，就像我 Because it takes an outsider, like me.
我是亚美尼亚裔 I'm Armenian.
在波士顿你认识几个亚美尼亚裔？ How many Armenians do you know in Boston?
斯蒂夫·柯吉恩，我 环球报 的同事 Steve Kurkjian, works at the Globe.
认识2个啊，你真该去买彩票什么的 Oh, that's two. You should get a prize or something.
- 那你是，意裔？ - 不是，我是葡裔 - What are you, Italian? - No, I'm Portuguese.
- 哪里人？ - 东波士顿的 - From where? - East Boston.
真的？东波士顿？ Really? East Boston?
听你口音不像 You don't sound like it.
这座城市和它的人民 This city, these people,
让我们这样的人感到格格不入 making the rest of us feel like we don't belong.
可他们并不比我们强 But they're no better than us.
看看他们是怎么对待自己小孩的？ Look at how they treat their children.
雷然斯先生，记住我说的话 Mark my words, Mr. Rezendes,
要养育一个孩子，离不开整个社会支持的话 if it takes a village to raise a child,
那没保护好孩子，就是整个社会的失败 it takes a village to abuse one.
- 你现身了啊，来杯啤酒？ - 那是当然 Hey, here he is. Want a beer? - Love one.
再来一杯，你和芭芭拉一起来的？ Another. You here with Barbara?
- 没有，她讨厌这类活动 - 凯伦也一样 No, she hates these things. Karen, too.
- 是啊 - 女人就是聪明 - Yeah. - Smart ladies.
干杯 Sláinte.
我见了你们的新总编 I met your new editor.
- 看上去挺正派的一个人 - 我也这么认为 - Seemed like a decent fellow. - I think he is.
我几天前和埃里克·麦克利什进行了一番有趣的谈话 Hey, I had an interesting conversation with Eric Macleish the other day.
原来他多年来一直在从事大主教区性侵案件的调解工作 Turns out he's been settling abuse cases with the archdiocese for years.
你真的要在这个场合谈论这种事？ You really wanna talk about this here?
吉姆，你说过你在神父巴雷特的事上帮过忙 Jim, you said you helped out on Father Barrett as a favor.
那只是一次性的？ That was a one-off?
你到底经手了多少这类案子？ How many of these cases have you been involved with?
罗比，你知道我不可以回答那些问题，那有违职业道德 You know I can't answer that, Robby. It's unethical.
这个借口就够了？ Is that all it is?
原来，这才是我一直耳闻确素未谋面的 So, this would be the Robby Robinson
罗比·罗宾逊的本色啊 I've always heard about but never met.
听我说，吉姆 Listen to me, Jimmy.
你会希望自己做出正确的抉择 You wanna be on the right side of this.
罗比，你正在说的可是教会啊 This is the Church you're talking about, Robby.
看看四周，这些都是好人 Look around. These are good people,
给这座城市做出了很多贡献 done a lot of good for this city.
享受晚会吧 Enjoy the party.
这些我已经查阅得差不多了 I've been through a lot of these now.
他们排除使用这类神父时 "Sick leave" isn't the only designation they use
"因病离职" 不是唯一的说法 when they take one of these priests out of circulation.
他们会用各种说法，“休假” They use a slew of terms. "Absent on leave,"
“待分配”，“处理要务” "unassigned," "emergency response."
- 各种借口都可以用在他们身上 - 除了强奸 - They got a word for everything, these guys. - Hmm. Except "rape."
他们比其他神父更为频繁的调动堂区 And they move parishes way more frequently than other priests.
我小时候，一个神父 When I was a kid, a priest moved
要差不多7、8年才会调走，有时还不止 after seven or eight years, sometimes longer.
这些家伙最多2、3年 These guys, it's two to three years tops.
他们有用这些说法在萨维亚诺提到的神父上吗? And did they use these designations for all of Saviano's priests?
有啊，这是很明显的模式 Yeah, it's a pretty clear pattern.
大伙，我联系上赛培了 Guys, I got Sipe.
我认为如果你们想真正弄清这场危机 I think if you really want to understand the crisis,
你必须先了解教士独身制 you need to start with the celibacy requirement.
那是我的第一项重大发现 That was my first major finding.
只有50%的神职人员是独身 Only 50% of the clergy are celibate.
现在，他们中的大多数人都和其他成年人有性爱关系 Now, most of them are having sex with other adults.
可事实是这造成了一种秘而不宣的风气 But the fact remains that this creates a culture of secrecy
容忍甚至是保护恋童癖 that tolerates and even protects pedophiles.
那你是认为教会早就意识到这场危机的严重程度? So you believe the Church is aware of the extent of this crisis?
恩，绝对知道，在路易斯安娜爆出第一次重大丑闻后 Oh, absolutely. After the first major scandal in Louisiana,
汤姆·多伊尔，教廷大使的圣典学秘书 Tom Doyle, the secretary-canonist for the papal nuncio,
合作发表了一片报告预警，说这些恋童癖神父 co-authored a report warning pedophile priests
会造成数十亿美元的损失 were a billion-dollar liability.
那是在1985年 That was in 1985.
- 1985年？ - 没错 - 1985? -That's right.
谁看了那篇报告，有天主教高层看过吗？ Who saw that report? Anyone from the Catholic hierarchy?
肯定的 Sure.
多伊尔想在全国天主教 Doyle tried to introduce the report at
主教会议上介绍这份报告 the National Conference of Catholic Bishops.
事实上，主教劳起初还帮助报告筹款 In fact, Cardinal Law initially helped to fund the report.
不过他后来退出，报告就被搁置了 But then he backed out, and they shelved it.
不是开玩笑吧? Are you kidding me?
理查德，我是罗比 Richard, Robby here.
我们认为在波士顿这里就有13名神父符合这种模式 We think we have 13 priests in Boston that fit this pattern,
将会是个非常重大的新闻 which would be a very, very big story.
你觉得从波及程度来看，这个数字准确吗？ Does that sound right to you in terms of scale?
不，真不觉得，罗比，我反而觉得少了 No, not really, Robby. It sounds low to me.
我的估算显示有6%的人会对未成年人下手 My estimates suggest 6% act out sexually with minors.
6%的什么？ Uh, 6% of what?
全体神父的6% 6% of all priests.
波士顿有多少神父？ How many priests do we have in Boston?
大概1500人, 1%是15人 About 1,500. 1% is 15.
6%就是 6% is
90人 90.
- 那好，90名神父 - 这可能吗？ - All right, 90 priests. - Is that possible?
从度量的角度看 From a metric standpoint,
是的，数字应该会与我的发现吻合 yes, that would certainly be in line with my findings.
喂？ Hello?
光波士顿就有90个神父这么多？ Ninety fucking priests? In Boston?
他就是这么说的 That's what he said.
如果有90个这样的人渣，大伙早就知道了吧 If there were 90 of these bastards, people would know.
或许他们都知道 Maybe they do.
就没一个人站出来？ And no one said a thing?
学德国佬？ Good Germans?
我觉得这不是你想公开使用的比较 I don't think that's a comparison you want to make publically.
麦克利什知道，只是什么也不说 Macleish knew. He just didn't say anything.
那只是13名神父 That's 13 priests.
这13和90差得可不是一点半点 There's a big difference between 13 and 90.
赛培这家伙从哪捣鼓出来的数字？ Where's this guy Sipe getting his numbers?
他从事这项研究已经有30年了 Well, he's been studying it for 30 years.
是个训练有素的精神治疗医师 He is a trained psychotherapist.
那好，不过我们需要些更有力的证据 Okay, but we need something more than a metric
而不能只靠这个搞上修女的嬉皮前神父的估算 from some hippy ex-priest who's shacking up with a nun.
那好吧，我们去查找更多的受害者，找出更多的神父 Okay, so we'll track down more victims. We'll get more priests.
然后可以用花名录比对 Then we can check them against the directories.
那可是天文数字般的受害者 That's a shitload of victims.
我们会办到的 We'll get there.
那得花多少时间啊? How long's it gonna take?
太长了 Too long.
等等，这会就结束了？ Wait, but... Meeting's over?
恩，目前是的 Yeah, for now.
- 你有什么主意？ - 我们做逆向工程如何？ - Look, what've you got? - What if we work backwards?
- 你是什么意思，从哪开始？ - 从花名录开始 - What do you mean? From what? - From the directories.
我们现在用花名录来确认问题神父 We've been using them to confirm bad priests.
那如果我们反着来呢？ What if we do it the other way around?
- 使用花名录去找出问题神父？ - 对，就是这个思路 - Use the directories to identify bad priests. - Yeah, exactly.
我们用关键词来进行寻找 We search by designation.
我们找寻任何神父有“因病离职”，或“待分配” We look for any priest on "sick leave" or "unassigned."
- 还有频繁转换堂区的 - 对 - Or have been moved around a lot. - Yeah.
这工程量也不小 It's gonna take a load of work.
一起干可以快些 Well, not if we're all on it.
你也来？ You, too?
- 大致上说，“一起”就是这个意思啊 - 恩，大致上 Generally that's what "all" means. Yeah. Yeah, generally.
因病离职
待分配
在职
图书馆要关门了 Library is closing.
奥沙利文，尤金 M. 治疗中心
天哪 Holy shit.
没搞错吧 No freakin' way.
孩子们，别靠近佩尔顿大街276号的房子
也别靠近住在那的人
- 塔尔博特? - 对 - Talbot. - Yeah.
- 蒂夫南？ - 对 - Tivnan. - Yeah.
- 托尔纳？ - 对 - Toma. - Yeah.
- 特恩布尔？ - 对 - Turnbull. - Yeah.
- 沃尔什？ - 对 - Walsh. - Yeah.
- 韦尔什？ - 对 - Welsh. - Yeah.
- 都在这了？ - 是的 - That's it. - That's it.
天啊，罗比？ Holy shit. Robby?
比赛培的估算就少了3个，太不可思议了 That's three off Sipe's estimate. That's incredible.
罗比 Robby?
- 多少？ - 87人 - How many? - Eighty-seven.
波士顿就有87人 Eighty-seven priests in Boston.
- 联系麦克利什，我想和他谈谈 - 好的 - Call Macleish. I wanna talk to him. - Okay.
- 你能打印出来吗？ - 当然可以 - Can you print it? - Sure can.
吉姆·沙利文办公室 Jim Sullivan's office.
我是沃尔特·罗宾逊，请找下吉姆·沙利文 Yeah, Walter Robinson for Jim Sullivan.
请告诉他事情紧急 Tell him it's important, please.
请稍等 One moment, please.
嗨，罗比，一切都好吗？ Hey, Robby. Everything okay?
吉姆，我想你告诉我件事 I need you to tell me something, Jim.
会有90名神父吗？ Could it be 90 priests?
- 什么？ - 会有90名神父这么多吗？ - What? - Could it be as high as 90?
天啊，罗比 Jesus, Robby.
吉姆，我必须得知道，事关重大我才来问你的 I need to know, Jim. I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't important.
罗比，你最好收手吧 You gotta stop this, Robby.
罗比，麦克利什的助手说他日程满了，见不了我们 Robby, Macleish's assistant said he's all booked up, he can't see us.
恩，他不见也得见 Yeah. Well, the hell he can't.
好的，那样才有意思 All right. That'll be fun.
我一会儿再找你，好吗？ You know what, I'll catch up with you, okay?
没事的 We're good.
嘿，你们好，我真的很抱歉 Hey, guys, I'm really sorry, I am,
可我现在真没时间谈 but I don't have any time to talk right now,
你们可以跟我的助手联系 but if you call my assistant...
麦克利什先生，我们有理由相信 Mr. Macleish, we have reason to believe
在波士顿就有近87名神父受到指控 that there are allegations against as many as 87 priests in Boston.
我不能跟你们谈这个 I can't talk to you about that.
- 这数字你觉得准确吗？ - 你们听不懂话吗 - Does that number sound right to you? - You gotta be kidding me.
我都说了没时间搭理这破事 I just told you I don't have time for this crap right now.
埃里克，你调解过多少神父的案子？ Eric. How many priests did you settle?
罗比，你知道我不可以跟你谈这些 Robby, you know I can't tell you that.
你必须给我他们的名单，以及受害者的名单 You're gonna give me the names and the names of their victims.
你这是在威胁我？ Are you threatening me?
我们准备了2份报道 We've got two stories here.
一份是关于道德沦丧的神职人员 We've got a story about degenerate clergy,
还有另一份报道披露一群律师 and we've got a story about a bunch of lawyers
把性侵未成年人案变成有利可图的不法勾当 turning child abuse into a cottage industry.
现在你希望我们发表那篇报道？ Now, which story do you want us to write?
因为我们正在准备其中一篇 Cause we're writing one of them.
我已经给你们寄去了一份名单 I already sent you a list of names.
你在说什么？寄给谁了？ What're you talking about? To whom?
多年前就寄给了 环球报 The Globe. Years ago.
就在波特案后，我接到了很多电话 After the Porter case. I got plenty of calls.
波士顿我就统计了20名神父 I had 20 priests in Boston alone,
不过没有媒体的帮助我是无能为力的 but I couldn't go after them without the press.
于是我就给你们寄了一份名单，而你们置之不理 So I sent you guys a list of names, and you buried it.
我明天就要那些名单 I want those names tomorrow.
罗比，到你们的剪报里找啊 Check your goddamn clips, Robby.
我们没在剪报里发现什么啊 We didn't find anything in the clips.
是的，真是出乎意料 Yeah. Big surprise.
理查德，你还参加弥撒吗？ Richard, do you still go to mass?
没有，我有很长时间都没去教堂了 No. No, I haven't been to church for some time now.
不过我仍然视自己为天主教徒 But I still consider myself a Catholic.
这样也行？ How does that work?
教会是所机构，麦克 Well, the church is an institution, Mike.
是由人组建的 Made of men.
有天它会消逝，而我的信仰是永恒的 It's passing. My faith is in the eternal.
我试着把两者分开 I try to separate the two.
- 听上去挺难 - 是啊 - Sounds tricky. - It is.
特别是教会还不停的找我麻烦 Especially since the Church continues to go after me.
这让人心灰意冷，麦克 It takes a toll, Mike.
他们会尝试阻止任何想曝光的人 They'll try to silence anyone who speaks out.
我相信他们很快就会阻挠你和你的团队 I'm sure they'll come after you and your team soon enough.
真的？你认为他们如何能办到？ Really? And how do you think they'll do that?
喂？ Hello?
理查德？ Richard?
谁啊？ Who is it?
坎特伯雷大主教 It's the archbishop of Canterbury.
在披萨店吃的晚餐还剩下了些 I had dinner at Santarpio's, had some leftovers.
你真是雪中送炭，多谢了，想来瓶啤酒吗？ Ah, you're the freakin' best. Thanks. You want a beer?
- 好的 - 马上给你 - Yeah. - You got it.
天啊 Jesus.
你还要在这狗窝待多久？ How much longer you gonna be in this shithole?
恩，我正在考虑呢 Yeah. I'm working on it.
她可是个好女孩，麦克 She's a good girl, Mike.
说的没错，我们会解决的 Yeah, she is. We'll figure it out.
最近实在是没时间 I haven't had a lot of time lately.
我刚和赛培通完电话 I just got off the phone with Sipe, actually.
你和他见过面吗？ Have you met this guy in person yet?
没有，不过他的见解是专家级的 No, but his knowledge of this is on a whole other level.
我快饿死了 I'm freaking starving.
90人这事进行到哪了？ So, where are we with the 90?
- 快接近尾声了 - 有多接近？ - We're close. - How close?
- 就是快接近了 - 你能不能正面回答问题？ - We're close. - Just answer the question, will you?
我们有了87人的名单 We got 87 names.
我们正在进行确认工作，希望很大 We're trying to get confirmation. I think we will.
有什么烦心事？ Something bugging you?
没啥，只是觉得难以置信 It's just surprising, that's all.
是啊，的确如此，对谁都一样 Yeah. Yeah, it is. For everybody.
嘿，本，忘了问你件事 Oh, hey, Ben. I forgot to ask you.
菲尔·萨维亚诺说几年前寄了一堆材料到 环球报 Phil Saviano said he sent a bunch of info over to the Globe years ago.
你知道寄给谁了吗？ Do you have any idea to who?
不知道，问这个干嘛？ No, why?
我只是好奇而已，我想看看 Well, I'm just curious. I wanted to see
还有什么线索你们没查的 if there's any leads you guys didn't run out.
萨维亚诺5年前根本就是一团糟，麦克 Saviano was a fucking train wreck five years ago, Mike.
我们什么线索也没漏掉 We didn't miss anything.
这故事需要《焦点》 This story needed Spotlight.
我同意，我只是随便问一下 Yeah, I agree. I'm just following up.
- 再见 - 好的，再见 - Good night. - Yeah, good night.
这太难以置信了 This is unbelievable.
你何时拿到的？ When did you get this?
麦克利什今早电邮名单给我的 Macleish emailed the list this morning.
他调解了针对45名神父的案子 He settled cases against 45 priests.
主教劳我们有什么进展？ Where are we on Law?
有任何线索显示他知情吗 Anything that shows he had knowledge of this?
- 我们还在寻求加拉贝迪安的帮助 - 没有什么确凿的东西 We're still working Garabedian. But nothing concrete.
我总会想到那天晚上的谈话 I keep thinking about that conversation we had the other night
说到劳在我们报道波特案时 about how Law called down the power of God
如何请出上帝对付我们 when we reported on Porter.
劳就是那样的人 That's just Law being Law.
好吧，可我查看了剪报 Okay, but I checked the clips,
波特根本都不属于波士顿大主教区 and, uh, Porter isn't even in the Boston archdiocese.
他属于福尔河，那么 He's from Fall River. So
为什么反应如此强烈？ why the extreme reaction?
劳肯定知情 Law had to know.
所以才会有那样的举动 That's why he had the reaction.
因为他知道还有其他人 Because he knew there were others.
我觉得这个才是重大新闻 I think that's the bigger story.
比50名神父还重大？ Bigger than 50 priests?
如果是高层向下授意的话，没错 If it came from the top down, yes.
可数字也明显表明 But the numbers clearly indicate
高层难辞其咎 that there were senior clergy involved.
它们只有这个效果，“表明” That's all they do. Indicate.
你的意思是，如果我们做的报道是 Are you telling me that if we run a story
波士顿这里的50名恋童癖神父 with 50 pedophile priests in Boston...
麦克 Mike!
那我们又会重陷波特案时的窘境 We'll get into the same cat fight you got into on Porter,
虽然一时间引人关注 which made a lot of noise,
可并没有促成任何根本上的改变 but changed things not one bit.
我们必须突出机构，而不是个体神父 We need to focus on the institution, not the individual priests.
政策以及惯例 Practice and policy.
显示出教会操纵这个体系 Show me the Church manipulated the system
好让这些神父一再逃脱惩罚 so that these guys wouldn't have to face charges.
显示出教会一次又一次的 Show me they put those same priests
把这类神父安排回堂区工作 back into parishes, time and time again.
显示出这是一种自上而下 Show me this was systemic,
系统性的行为 that it came from the top down.
感觉上我们是要揭批劳 Sounds like we're going after Law.
我们是去揭批这个体系 We're going after the system.
制作一份我们手头有的全部受害者的名单，开始进行寻访 Make a list of all the victims we have. Start reaching out.
需要的话可以叫马特帮忙 And bring Matt in if you need help. Mmm-hmm.
- 好的 - 你什么时候去斯普林菲尔德？ - Okay. - Hey, when you go to Springfield?
- 听证会是下周一 - 那好 Our hearing is Monday. - Okay.
嗨，罗比，能谈会儿吗？ Hey, Robby, you got a second?
好 Yeah.
有个那种治疗中心 I, uh, got one of those treatment centers
就在我家附近 a block from my house.
周围很多邻居都有小孩 We got neighbors with kids.
我知道我们的工作内容是要保密，可我觉得... I know that the work we do is confidential, but I'm feeling like...
应该告诉他们 I should tell 'em.
再等会儿吧 We'll tell 'em soon.
你确定？ You sure?
- 是的 - 那好吧 - Yeah. - Okay.
嗨，我是萨夏·法伊弗，波士顿环球报的 Hi there. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer. I'm with The Boston Globe.
我想找一个叫马修·沃尔什的先生 I was just looking for a gentleman by the name of Matthew Walsh.
不，不是他 Uh... No, he's not.
好，好的 Yeah, okay. Okay.
- 嗨 - 嗨 Hi. Hi.
我是萨夏·法伊弗，波士顿环球报的 I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe.
恩，有什么事吗？ Yeah, what do you want?
我想找托马斯·肯尼迪谈谈 I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy.
他早就搬走了 He doesn't live here anymore.
你知道他搬哪了吗？ Do you know where he lives?
先生，我只是想问几个... Sir, I'd just like to ask a few...
萨夏·法伊弗，波士顿环球报的 Uh, Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe.
哦，请进 Oh, yeah, hi.
谢谢你 Hi. Thank you.
你能想起些什么吗？ Anything else you can recall?
不能 No.
不清楚，不过我有个侄子在昆西 No, but I got a cousin in Quincy.
她说几年后在街上见到过他 She saw him in the street a few years later.
主教大人来到我家 The Bishop came over to the house.
他说这种事之前从未发生过 He said nothing like this had ever happened before,
请求我们不要提起指控 and he asked us not to press charges.
那你母亲怎么做的？ And what did your mother do?
我母亲？ My mother?
她竟然送上糕点 She put out freakin' cookies.
有各方面压力让你保持缄默 There was a lot of pressure to keep quiet.
教会方面的？ From the Church?
是的，有教会方面的 Yeah, from the Church.
可不只是教会 But not just the Church.
有我的朋友 From my friends,
还有一些教友 from the other parishioners.
许多我治疗过的神父 Well, many of the priests that I treated
情感方面的性心理 were psychosexually stunted,
在12、3岁时就停止发育了 on the emotional level of a 12- or 13-year-old.
天啊 Jeez.
警长肯定知道，基本上众人皆知 Sure the Chief knew. Everybody knew,
可没有人愿意去抓神父 but nobody wants to cuff a priest.
那检察官呢？ And what about the prosecutor?
我都不该跟你说这些的 I shouldn't talk about this shit.
我觉得你反而应该说出来 I think you should, actually.
你认识一个叫赫尔利或盖尔的神父吗？ Do you know a Father Hurley or a Father Gale?
认识 I do.
我发誓，我要揍死你 I swear to God, I'll beat the shit out of you.
抱歉打扰你了 Sorry to bother you.
别来烦我，也离我兄弟远点 You leave me alone, you leave my brother alone!
你TMD听清楚了吗？ You hear me, God damn it?
你好，我想找罗纳德·帕奎因 Hi there. I'm looking for Ronald Paquin.
什么事？ Yes?
你就是神父帕奎因？ You're Father Paquin?
是的没错 Yes, that's right.
我是萨夏·法伊弗，波士顿环球报的 I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe.
好的 Okay.
我能问你几个问题吗？ Could I ask you a few questions?
请问吧 Go ahead, dear.
我们采访了几个小时候和你一同 We spoke to several men who you knew when they were boys
在黑弗里尔的圣约翰浸信会待过的男性 at St. John the Baptist in Haverhill.
他们说被你猥亵过，是事实吗？ They told us you molested them. Is that true?
是的，我是胡来过，可我从不是去满足自己 Sure I fooled around, but I never felt gratified myself.
好，那你承认在圣约翰浸信会 Right. Um, but you admit to molesting boys
猥亵过男孩？ at St. John the Baptist?
是的，可就像我刚说的， Yes, yes, but as I said,
我从不是为了满足自己 I never got any pleasure from it.
你必须得明白这一点 That's important to understand.
好的 Right.
你能告诉我地点吗？ Um, but can you tell me where and how
还有你对这些男孩是怎么个胡来法？ you fooled around with these boys?
我想澄清一下 I want to be clear,
我从没强奸过谁 I never raped anyone.
这是有区别的，我自己知道 There's a difference. I should know.
你怎么知道？ How would you know?
因为我被强奸过 I was raped.
抱歉，谁强奸过你？ I'm sorry, who raped you?
罗尼，你在跟谁说话？ Ronnie, who're you talking to?
- 没什么，简 - 神父帕奎因，谁强奸了你？ - It's okay, Jane. - Father Paquin, who raped you?
你是哪位？ Who are you?
萨夏·法伊弗，环球报 的 Uh... Sacha Pfeiffer, from the Globe.
- 请你离开 - 我自己可以处理 - Please get off my porch. - I can speak for myself.
回屋里去，罗纳德 Get inside the house, Ronnie. Mr...
- 快进去，罗纳德 - 抱歉 - Get inside, Ronald. - Sorry.
抱歉，你是他的哪位？ Uh, I'm sorry, who are you?
我是他姐姐 I'm his sister,
我不希望再见到你 and I don't want you coming back here.
帕奎因女士？ Ms. Paquin...
我肯定比你先到街那头 Beat you to the end of the street!
不会，你不行，我上次就赢了你 No, you won't. I beat you last time!
你才没有，你上次作弊！ No, you didn't, you cheated!
你才作弊 You did!
请你解释下环球报 的立场好吗？阿尔巴诺先生 Could you please clarify the Globe's position for me, Mr. Albano?
好的，法官斯维尼 Yes, Judge Sweeney.
我们请求解封这些文件的依据 Our argument to make these documents public
主要是宪法第一修正案 rests mainly on First Amendment grounds.
我们也有一些其他依据 We also have a number of other relevant arguments.
毕竟，法官大人 After all, Your Honor,
这是个自由裁决 this was a discretionary order.
是的，这是由法官自行裁定的 Yes, it was made at the Judge's discretion.
嗨，麦克 Hey, Mike.
嗨，乔 Hey, Joe.
《焦点》的记者跑来 What's a Spotlight reporter
斯普林菲尔德做什么 doing in Springfield?
你们的伙计阿尔巴诺想登天吗？ Your boy Albano's sledding uphill.
真以为这个案子你们有机会赢？ You actually think you have a shot at winning this thing?
你想我给先驱报 做个评论？ You want me to comment for the Herald?
“环球报 记者不愿评论 "Globe reporter would not comment,
并且似乎也并不报希望” but he did not seem hopeful."
他根本就没有一点隐瞒 He didn't try and hide it at all.
他对发生的一切有种莫名的合理化 He had this really odd rationalization for it.
就好像猥亵男孩 Like it was totally normal
是再正常不过的事了 to fool around with little boys.
我真想再返回去，我觉得他愿意跟我们谈 I'd really like to go back. I think he'd talk to us.
我们会的 Oh, we will.
但不是现在 Just not yet.
我想你把精力先放在受害者身上 I want you to stay focused on the victims right now.
萨夏，他们又把神父塔尔博特安排到哪了？ Sacha, where'd they send Father Talbot again?
我记得是舍沃罗斯吧？ Um, I think... Wasn't that Cheverus?
对，舍沃罗斯 Cheverus, that's right.
等等，神父塔尔博特？波大附中的？ Wait, Father Talbot from BC High?
对，你认识他？ Yeah, you know him?
我上学时他就在那 Yeah, he was there when I was.
那有个受害者？ We have a victim?
是的，住在普罗维登斯 Yeah, lives in Providence.
法官大人，这些文件并不涉及个人隐私 There's nothing personal in these documents, Your Honor.
只是涉及主教如何处理... They concern how the Cardinal is handling...
用“大主教区” Say "the archdiocese."
再说一遍？ Excuse me?
你不能在这里 You don't get to tag the Cardinal
提及主教，阿尔巴诺先生 with everything, Mr. Albano.
要用“大主教区” Say "the archdiocese."
法官斯维尼，环球报 并不属于案子的任一方 Judge Sweeney, the Globe is not a party to this case,
他们只是想多卖点报纸 they just want to sell papers.
要不是加拉贝迪安先生 If Mr. Garabedian had not smeared
对主教大人的诽谤 the Cardinal's good name,
我们根本就不会到这一步 we wouldn't even be here.
法官大人，我抗议使用“诽谤”一词 Your Honor, I object to the use of the word "smear."
抗议收到，加拉贝迪安先生 Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian.
谢谢，法官大人 Thank you, Your Honor.
还有要补充的吗，罗杰斯先生 Anything else, Mr. Rogers?
没了，法官大人 No, Your Honor.
阿尔巴诺先生，你可以继续了 Mr. Albano, you may continue.
环球报 相信... The Globe believes having...
嗨，米奇，最近怎么样？ Hey, Mitch, how are you doing?
很好 I'm fine.
威尔逊·罗杰斯挺难对付啊 He's tough, that Wilson Rogers.
自以为是的家伙 He's smug.
也很草率 And he's sloppy.
看上去不像啊 He doesn't seem sloppy.
相信我，你根本连半点情况都没了解 You don't know the half of it. Trust me.
那你说说另一半 What's the half of it?
跟我说来听听，米奇？ Tell me the half of it, Mitch.
- 不作记录？ - 好，不作记录 - Off the record? - Off the record, yeah.
3年前我接到个前神父的电话 Three years ago, I get a call from an ex-priest.
安东尼·本泽维奇 Anthony Benzevich.
他在62年参加一次圣餐时 He was at Blessed Sacrament back in '62,
见到吉欧根 and he saw Geoghan
领着小男孩直接去了住所卧室 taking little boys up to the rectory bedroom, okay?
他可是大吃一惊 So he's appalled, all right?
向主教报告了此事 Tells the bishop about it.
可主教却威胁要把他调走 The bishop threatens to reassign him
调去南美 to South America.
- 天啊 - 没错 - Jesus. - Yeah, all right.
那么再来到35年后 So fast forward 35 years,
本泽维奇读到吉欧根被指控 Benzevich reads that Geoghan's been charged
猥亵上百名小孩时 with molesting hundreds of kids.
他觉得内疚，于是就给我打了电话 All right? So he feels guilty. He calls me.
那你有一个神父的证词 So you have testimony of a priest
说他在62年向上级举报过吉欧根？ telling his superiors about Geoghan in '62?
不，我没有 No, I do not.
因为当我提出要本泽维奇出庭作证时 Because when I called Benzevich in to give a deposition,
他由一个律师陪同前来 he comes in with a lawyer.
- 威尔逊·罗杰斯？ - 对 - Wilson Rogers. - Right.
突然间，神父本泽维奇 And suddenly Father Benzevich
记性不好起来 has a very foggy memory.
什么都想不起来，完全没用 Can't remember anything. He's useless.
我只好回去工作 So I go back to work,
打消念头，不管了 I forget about it. Whatever.
直到一年以后，我读到篇报道 Until about a year ago, I find an article
是一个神父说自己向教会官员举报过吉欧根 about a priest who warned church officials about Geoghan.
- 本泽维奇向媒体披露了？ - 是的 - Benzevich went to the press? - Yeah.
当地的报纸，爱国者纪事报 ，没什么人看 Yeah, local paper, Patriot Ledger. Nobody saw it.
不过现在我有了本泽维奇的白纸黑字 But now I got Benzevich on record.
我就去提交了动议要求本泽维奇再次出庭作证 So I file a motion to depose Benzevich a second time.
然而，威尔逊·罗杰斯 All right? And Wilson Rogers,
这个自以为是的混蛋 that smug son of a bitch,
他提交了个动议去反对我的动议 he files a motion opposing my motion.
那就是我逮着他时候 And that's when I have him.
怎么逮着他了？ Have him how?
罗杰斯反对我的动议 Rogers opposes my motion,
那我就得拿出理由来 so I have to make an argument
说明为什么要允许我 as to why I'm allowed to depose
叫神父本泽维奇再次出庭作证，明白？ Father Benzevich a second time, okay?
不过这次允许我附带证据 But this time, I'm allowed to attach exhibits.
你懂我说的吗？ Do you follow what I'm saying?
- 那些被封存的文件？ - 对 - The sealed documents? - Yes.
我可以附带封存文件 I can attach the sealed documents
就是我发现的那些文件，雷然斯先生 that I've gotten in discovery, Mr. Rezendes,
就是你的报纸正在法院请求的那些 the same documents that your paper is currently suing for.
你不是骗我吧？ You're shitting me?
什么？没有，我可没骗你 What? No. No, I'm not shitting you.
于是我拿出最烫手的14个文件 So I pull out the 14 most damning docs
附带到我的动议上 and I attach 'em to my motion.
那些文件可以说明一切 And they prove everything. Everything.
不管是教会，还是主教，还是劳 About the Church, about the bishops, about Law.
而这些都是公开的 And it's all public?
因为你提交的动议去反对罗杰斯的 Because your motion to oppose Roger's motion
- 是公开的 - 说得没错 - is public. - Yeah, exactly.
现在你总算跟上我的节奏了 Now you're paying attention.
那我岂不是可以马上去法院 So I could just walk into that courthouse right now
调出这些文件？ and get those documents?
不行，你拿不到的 No, you cannot,
因为文件根本不在那里 because the documents are not there.
可你不是刚说它们是公开的吗 But you just said they're public.
我知道，可这是在波士顿 I know I did, but this is Boston,
教会可不想让它们被发现 and the Church does not want them to be found.
所以它们不在那 So they are not there.
米奇，你这是说天主教会 Mitch, are you telling me that the Catholic Church
从那个法院里拿走了法律文件？ removed legal documents from that courthouse?
恩，我不是说疯话或编故事 Look, I'm not crazy, I'm not paranoid.
我可是精通业务的 I'm experienced.
去查诉讼摘录，你就明白了 Check the docket. You'll see.
他们掌控一切 They control everything.
一切 Everything.
我得返回去了 I gotta go back in.
他们真的拿走了文件啊 These guys got the fucking documents.
诉讼摘录 49号，吉欧根案的 Docket entry number 49, it's in the Geoghan case.
还有十分钟就下班了 We're closing in 10 minutes.
十分钟？好的 Ten minutes? All right.
詹姆斯·F·塔尔博特阁下
- 罗比 - 嘿，是我 - Robby. - Hey, it's me.
- 嘿 - 你绝对想不到 - Hey. - You're not gonna believe it.
加拉贝迪安给了我条线索，有些封存文件其实是公开了的 Garabedian gave me a tip. Some of the sealed docs are already public.
夹带在他提交的一个动议里 They're part of a motion he filed.
他说是精华部分 He said they're the best of the bunch.
我们不必等斯维尼的判决结果 We don't have to wait for Sweeney's ruling.
那我们能拿到吗？ So we can get them?
是的，不过它们不在那里 Yeah, but they're not there.
我已经告诉阿尔巴诺了 Already talked to Albano.
他说我们只需要提交一个动议 He said all we have to do is file a motion,
斯维尼就会下令米奇重新提交文件 and Sweeney will order Mitch to refile the docs.
而你认为这些文件就是... And you think these documents are...
他说我们有这14个文件就够了，它们关系重大 He said these 14 docs were all we need. They're huge.
好吧，我通知本，干得好 Okay. I'll call Ben. Good work.
不管这是不是一场意外 whether this was truly an accident
还是有人故意破坏 or someone committed an intentional act.
总之，这座建筑物 But either way, extensive damage
都损毁严重 has been done to this building.
出什么事了？ What happened?
他们说是架轻型机 They're saying it's a prop plane,
可看上去不像 but that's not a prop plane.
让琳达立刻通知我们所有的记者回来 Tell Linda to get every reporter we have in here now.
我们为逝者祈祷 You pray for the victims,
为伤者祈祷 you pray for the injured,
为那些幸存者祈祷 and you pray for those who survived.
也为这个国家祈祷 You pray, too, for the nation.
我们对此的应对或许会映衬出这个国家的最佳理念 That our response to this might reflect the best ideals of our nation.
甚至能映衬出天主的淳淳教导 And even more, reflect God's own teaching.
不仅反映出基督教的精神和犹太教的 Not only as it's shown in Christianity and Judaism,
也包括伊斯兰教的 but in Islam as well.
- 讲的不错，谁在现场？ - 保尔森 - Not bad. Who's there? - Paulson.
他回来后我要跟他谈谈 I wanna talk to him when he's back.
雷然斯找到办法去佛罗里达吗？ Did Rezendes find a way to get to Florida yet?
他们刚开放普罗维登斯的机场 They just opened the airport in Providence.
他现在正赶往那里 He's on his way there now.
本，我需要多点人去马萨诸塞州港务局 Ben, I'm gonna need more people on Massport.
我从我这里调3个给你 I'll give you three of my guys.
- 罗比，安排你的人也过去 - 好的 Robby, put your team on that, too. - Got it.
还有，罗比，暂停其他一切工作 And Robby, everything else stops.
明白 Understood.
麦克去佛罗里达干嘛？ Why's Mike going to Florida?
飞行学校，他们在那学的开飞机 Flight school. It's where they learned to fly.
罗比，我这周定下了不少受害者的采访 Robby, I've got a lot of victim interviews set up this week.
我们得取消了 We have to cancel 'em.
- 那会很麻烦 - 我明白 - That's gonna be hard. - I know.
这太疯狂了，两天前我才跟老婆说 This is nuts. Two days ago I told my wife
我们在做一个全球性的重大报道 we gotta be working the biggest story on the planet.
波士顿环球报 Boston Globe.
波士顿环球报 请稍等 Boston Globe. One moment, please.
是的，如果你有线索的话，我就把你转去都市版 Yes, if you have a tip, I will transfer you down to Metro.
米奇·加拉贝迪安 Mitchell Garabedian.
米奇，是我麦克，我一直在打给你 Mitch, it's Mike, I've been trying to reach you.
我现在没时间跟你谈，雷然斯先生 I don't have time to talk to you, Mr. Rezendes.
嘿，就说两句，你有重新提交那些文件吗? Hey, just quickly, did you refile those docs yet?
没，我才收到法院指令，还需要些时间 No, I just got the order. It takes time.
那太好了，你能缓一缓再发吗 Okay, great. Can you hold off on refiling them?
- 缓一缓？ - 我得去趟佛罗里达 - Hold off? - I have to go to Florida.
你一提交，它们就成公开的了 Once you refile they're public.
其他报纸可能会抢先一步拿到手 Other newspapers will be able to get a hold of 'em.
我现在没心思管其他报纸，我刚收到一份裁决令 Other newspapers are not my concern. I received a judicial order.
我跟你说过教会在盯着我 I told you the Church is watching me.
嘿，米奇，求你了，我只需要你宽限我几周时间 Oh, hey, Mitch, please. All I need's a few more weeks.
我作不了什么承诺，再见 I can't make any promises. Goodbye.
米奇！米奇！靠！ Mitch? Mitch! Shit!
我靠 Shit.
我明白，没人关心 Look, I get it, no one wants to read
神父强奸小孩的事 about kids getting raped by priests.
特别是现在 Especially now.
可是你让很多人又回想起 But you asked a lot of people to relive
那些痛苦的遭遇 some very painful experiences,
然后就拍屁股走人 and you just disappear.
你知道我们脱不开身的原因 Phil, you know why we were taken off of the story.
可9/11已经过去6周了 It's been six weeks since 9/11.
我明白，我们会重回正轨的 I realize that and we're gonna get back to it.
什么时候？ When?
你们现在就和上回一样 You're doing the same thing you guys did last time.
-不会的 - 你们又辜负了我们 - No. - You're dropping us.
- 没有 - 或许我应该去找先驱报 - No. - Maybe I should tell the Herald that story.
好吧，菲尔，你就那样做 Okay, Phil, you go ahead and do that.
让我们的心血毁于一旦，不过我管不了你 It will undo all the work we've done, but I can't stop you.
听我说，因为我在乎才会来这的 Listen to me. I am here because I care.
我们不会放弃 We're not going away.
我们一定会报道这个故事，并且准确无误 We're gonna tell this story, we're gonna tell it right.
我们只是需要多一点时间，只有这个要求了 We just need a little more time. That's all we're asking for.
还需要提什么要求? Why bother asking?
反正你们会做自己想做的事 You're gonna do what you want anyway.
你们总是如此 You always do.
菲尔 Phil.
嗨 Hey.
南滩好玩吗？ How's South Beach?
是博因顿海滩，完全不同的地方 Boynton Beach. Remarkably different place.
有什么事? What's up?
米奇·加拉贝迪安今天给我打了电话 Mitch Garabedian called me today.
- 他为什么打给你？ - 因为怕你又吼他 - Why'd he call you? - 'Cause he knew you'd yell at him.
他重新提交了文件 He refiled the docs.
不是吧？ What?
罗比，现在这些文件就公开了 Robby, those docs are public now.
我们必须抢先一步拿到它们 We gotta get there before anyone else does.
我知道，我知道 I know. I know. I know.
你赶紧把那边的事收拾完 Just wrap up whatever you're doing
订最早的一班飞机 and get the first flight out.
我现在就订机票，明天直接去法院 I'll book a flight now and go straight to the courthouse tomorrow.
- 好，到了给我电话 - 好的 - All right. Call me when you get in. - Okay.
罗比，我想通知菲尔·萨维亚诺我们又重回正轨了 Robby, I'd like to let Phil Saviano know that we're back on it.
想得周到 Good idea.
和汉西出去吃个饭吧 Go have dinner with Hansi.
下面忙起来可能就没机会了 Might be the last time for a while.
罗比，我们上次见了麦克利什后 Robby, after we saw Macleish,
我又回去查阅剪报 I started going back through the clips,
上周终于抽得出空来 and I had a little time last week finally.
我找到了这个 So, um, I found that.
是93年的 It's from '93.
波特案受害者的律师声称
本地还有20名神父也受到指控
就这些 That it?
是的，就这些 Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
再见 Good night.
好的，再见 Okay, good night.
那我可能要比你小几届，是吧？ So, I was probably a few years after you, right?
不，你可不只是小几届 No, you were more than a few.
我打包票 Believe me.
从波大附中毕业后，我就来到了普罗维登斯 Well, after BC High, I came down to Providence
加入了修道士冰球队 and played hockey for the Friars.
噢，那你一定打得很好吧 Oh, well, you must have been pretty good.
没有，大学里基本坐冷板凳 No. Rode the bench in college. Yeah. Oh.
不过我热爱这座城市 But I loved the city.
最近还有了第三个孩子 Oh. And we just had our third kid.
可我仍然订阅环球报 哦 And I still get my Globe, for the record.
很高兴知道，很高兴 Oh, that's good to know. Good to know.
凯文啊，其实我来这另有原因 Look, Kevin, uh, that's actually why I'm here.
我想问你一些神父塔尔博特的问题 I need to ask you some questions about Father Talbot.
你怎么知道的？ How'd you find out?
这个嘛... Well...
我想那并不重要 I guess it doesn't matter.
我连我老婆都没说过 And I never even told my wife.
对不起 Excuse me.
嘿、嘿，我得进去 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! I need to get in there.
- 我们下班了 - 就让我进去5分钟，好吗？ - We're closed. - Come on, let me in. Five minutes.
抱歉，我们下班了 I'm sorry, we're closed.
求你了，就五分钟 Come on. Five minutes.
你好 Hello.
给你 Here.
- 这是吉欧根案的？ - 是的 - This is the Geoghan case? - That's right.
- 这些记录都封存了 - 没有 - Those records are sealed. - No.
那个动议是公开的，里面的记录都是公开的 That's a public motion. Those records are public.
我是环球报 的好吧 Look, I work for the Globe.
不错啊 Good for you.
我能和你的上司谈谈吗？ Can I talk to your supervisor?
他今天没来 He's not in today.
那法官呢？ What about a judge?
肯定有法官处理这类事情吧？ There must be judges that work on this kind of thing.
在6楼 Sixth floor.
我们明白对神父塔尔博特指控的性质 We understand the nature of the allegations against Father Talbot.
我只是不清楚你需要校长柯枚哲做些什么 I'm just not sure what you want from President Kemeza.
比尔上任时塔尔博特早就离开了 Talbot taught here long before Bill took over.
的确如此，我们只是想确认 Mmm. Of course. We just want to know
有没有这种可能，当时的校长 if it's possible that the president,
职员还有董事会 the faculty, the board,
所有人都被蒙在鼓里 that no one knew what was going on at the time.
我1979年毕业的，完全不知道发生过这种事 I graduated in 1979, and I had no idea about any of this.
如果你想暗示神父吉本斯和神父卡拉汉 So if you're suggesting that Father Gibbons and Father Callahan
可能知道... had in any way...
吉本斯和卡拉汉... Gibbons and Callahan...
把这地方管理得就像军队一样啊 I mean, they ran this place like the navy.
你真的认为他们会不知情？ Do you really think they didn't know?
你也清楚，罗比，这么大个学校 It's a big school, Robby. You know that.
我们现在谈论的是有七名受害者 And we're talking about seven alleged victims
在多长？8年时间里？ over, what, eight years.
7名受害者是我们目前知道的 We're talking about seven that we know about.
这真的很荒唐 This is ridiculous.
你们想在这找故事，我们不可能... You're reaching for a story here. We cannot possibly...
杰克，杰克，如果当时我是校长 Jack. Jack. Jack. If I had been president then,
我肯定知道 I would've known.
比尔，我不确定那是什么意思 Bill, I'm not sure that's relevant.
你想想他们为什么要把塔尔博特调到舍沃罗斯 Why do you think they sent Talbot up to Cheverus?
你知道吗，他们想把他调的远远的 You know they wanted him out of town.
罗比，比尔的言论是出于一番好意 Robby, as well intentioned as Bill's remarks are,
我希望在达成一致前 I'm hoping we can keep this between us
我们先别对外公布 until we all get on the same page.
我们来这的原因不就是要达成一致吗? Is that why we're here, to get on the same page?
不是的，罗比，我们见面是考虑到你是名重要的校友 No, we're here because you're an important alumnus, Robby,
和朋友 and a friend.
就是这样，我们知道你和我们一样对这所学校十分关心 Exactly, and we know you care about this school as much as we do.
杰克，你在这有参加体育项目吗？ Did you play a sport here, Jack?
有啊，是橄榄球队的，问这个干嘛？ Yeah. Football. Why?
我是田径队的 Mmm. I ran track.
我昨天去了普罗维登斯一趟 You know, I went to Providence yesterday
同塔尔博特的受害者之一谈了谈 to talk to one of Father Talbot's victims.
他在这是冰球队的 He played hockey here.
他属于境况较好的一个 And, uh, he's one of the better ones.
有老婆和孩子，工作也不错 He's got a wife, kids, good job.
可谈了十分钟后 About 10 minutes into the conversation,
整个人就崩溃了 the guy breaks down.
止不住的泪水啊 You know, couldn't stop crying.
他说一直都想不明白为何神父塔尔博特会对他下手 Said he could never figure out why Father Talbot picked him.
神父塔尔博特当过冰球队的教练 Father Talbot coached the hockey team.
所以 So,
我想我们只是幸运而已 I guess we just got lucky.
你和我都是 You and me.
杰克·邓恩在这所学校工作吗? Does Jack Dunn work for the school?
没，他只是给波大做些公关工作 No, he's PR for Boston College.
学校需要时就会找他 They call him when they need help.
那皮特·康利呢，为什么他也在？ And Pete Conley? Why was he there?
问得好 Good question.
皮特是个重要的校友，不过我直接联系的比尔 Pete's a big alum, but I called Bill directly,
请求跟他会面 and I asked for a sit-down.
我没说要见其他人 I never mentioned anybody else.
感觉这事好像众人皆知 It's like everybody already knows the story.
恩 Yeah.
除了我们，我们还在这工作 Except us. And we work right there.
- 法官沃尔泰拉？ - 是的 - Judge Volterra? - Yes.
你好，我是麦克·雷斯然，波士顿环球报的 Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe.
我在楼下的 Um, I'm having some trouble
档案室没法调取 accessing some public records
一些公开文件 down in the records room.
我想能不能跟你谈谈？ I was wondering if I could have a word with you?
- 没问题 - 谢谢 - All right. - Thank you.
非常感谢 Thank you very much.
雷然斯先生，你要的这些证据 These exhibits you're after, Mr. Rezendes,
都是十分敏感的档案 they're very sensitive records.
法官大人，我冒昧说一句 With all due respect, Your Honor,
那并不能构成借口 that's not the question.
这些档案都是公开的 The records are public.
那也许没错，不过你告诉我 Maybe so, but tell me,
公布这种性质的档案 where's the editorial responsibility
还有编辑责任感吗? in publishing records of this nature?
那如果不公布的话，还有编辑责任感吗? Well, where's the editorial responsibility in not publishing them?
你不能带走，只能复印 You can't take those. You need to make copies.
我就是去复印室 I'm going to the copy room.
下午4点就关门了 It closed at 4:00.
这样吧，我给你 Look, I'll give you
83块用下你的 83 bucks to use yours.
嘿，出租车 Hey, cabbie!
嘿、嘿... Hey! Hey! Hey!
去波士顿环球报 ，在莫里西大街 Take me to The Boston Globe on Morrissey Boulevard.
别走93号，直接走多尔切斯特大道 Don't take 93. Take Dorchester Avenue.
罗比，太不可思议了 Robby, it's incredible!
劳多年前就知道吉欧根的事了，证据确凿 Law knew about Geoghan for years, no question.
这封信是一位叫玛格利特·加伦特的女人寄给劳的 There's a letter to Law from a woman Margaret Gallant,
她80年代住在牙买加平原，吉欧根当时就在那 who lived in Jamaica Plain in the early '80s when Geoghan was there.
请仔细听 Listen to this,
我们全家扎根于教会 "Our family is rooted in the Church,
我们渴望维护神圣秩序 "our desire is to protect the Holy Orders,
哪怕是我们承受着 "even in the midst of our agony
家里7个儿子被侵犯的 "over the seven boys in our family
痛苦折磨 "who have been violated."
7个，罗比，7个男孩 Seven, Robby. Seven boys.
我们被要求保持缄默 "It was suggested we keep silent.
我们2年前并未质疑教会的指令 "We did not question the authority of the Church two years ago,
可神父吉欧根仍然继续在堂区从业 "but since Father Geoghan is still in his parish..."
她向劳求助，可劳置若罔闻 But she sent it to Law, and Law did shit.
这是同年另一封寄给劳的信，听好了 Here's another one to Law, same year. Listen to this,
最近听说神父约翰吉欧根 "A word on the recent assignment of Father Geoghan
被安排到韦斯顿的圣朱利安 "as an associate at St. Julia's in Weston.
神父吉欧根一直以来都和小男孩有同性行为 "Father Geoghan has a history of homosexual involvement with young boys.
我觉得他最近从圣布伦丹调出 "I understand his recent departure from St. Brendan's
或与此有关 "may be related to this problem.
我觉得神父吉欧根在接受相应治疗期间 "I wonder if Father Geoghan should not be reduced to just weekend work
周末工作都不应安排给他 "while receiving some kind of therapy.
你知道我对你一直以来的关照心存感激 "You know how grateful I am to you for your constant concern.
天主在上，谨致问候 "Sincerely yours in our Lord,
约翰·M·达西，波士顿辅理主教 "Most Reverend John M. Darcy, Auxiliary Bishop of Boston.
1984年12月7日 "December 7, 1984."
是个辅理主教写的？ An auxiliary bishop wrote that?
太惊人了 That's incredible.
他打破常规了 He broke ranks.
加伦特是什么时候写的信？ I mean, when did Gallant write her letter?
- 1984年 - 而劳置之不理? - 1984. - And Law just ignored it.
你怎么能对这样的信置之不理？ How do you ignore that freakin' letter?
总算逮到他们了 We got 'em.
你不可能读了这些信还继续装傻，这是铁证 You can't read these letters and think anything else. It's proof.
说的没错 Yeah. It is.
干的太好了 This is good work.
我们该去跟本说吗？ Should we take it up to Ben?
不，还不是时候 No. Not yet.
为什么不？我们逮到劳了，一清二楚 Why not? We got Law. This is it.
不是，这只是劳包庇一个神父 No, this is Law covering for one priest.
还需要其他90名的 There's another 90 out there.
是的，那要等我们集齐后才能报道 Yeah, and we'll print that story when we get it,
可我们现在就得报道这个 but we gotta go with this now.
不行，麦克，我不会急于就这样报道 No, I'm not going to rush this story, Mike.
可我们别无选择，罗比 We don't have a choice, Robby.
我们不抢先报道的话 If we don't rush to print,
让其他人发现这些信，会搞砸这一切 somebody else is gonna find these letters and butcher the story.
先驱报 的乔·昆比 Joe Quimby from the Herald
那天就TMD在法院 was at the freakin' courthouse.
那我们写篇报道先不发 So we'll write a holding story,
然后观察先驱报 的动向 and we'll keep our eye on the Herald.
观察先驱报 的动向？ Keep our eye on the Herald?
如果他们报道了，并且不痛不痒，教会又可以掩盖一切 They run this and they get it wrong, the Church will bury it.
- 我们得马上行动 - 麦克，麦克 - We gotta do this now. - Mike, Mike...
干嘛？为什么我们要犹豫不决？ What? Why are we hesitating?
巴伦说去揭批劳，这不是劳吗？ Baron told us to get Law. This is Law.
巴伦说的是揭批这个体系 Baron told us to get the system.
我们得一个不拉 We need the full scope.
那样我们才能改变一切 That's the only thing that will put an end to this.
那我们告诉本，让他来定夺 Then let's take it up to Ben, let him decide.
我来决定什么时候告诉本 We'll take it to Ben when I say it's time.
是时候了，罗比，就是现在! It's time, Robby. It's time!
他们早就知情，却纵容发生在这些孩子身上的事 They knew and they let it happen. To kids!
那可能发生在你身上，也可能发生在我身上！ Okay? It could've been you! It could've been me!
那可能发生在任何人身上 It could have been any of us!
我们得揭露这些人渣 We gotta nail these scumbags!
我们得让大家知道没人可以逍遥法外 We gotta show people that nobody can get away with this!
不管是神父，还是主教，哪怕是TMD的教皇 Not a priest or a Cardinal or a freaking Pope!
你说完了？ You finished?
我说完了，这太让人失望了 Yeah, I am. This is bullshit.
你没事吧？ You okay?
没事 Mmm...
嗨，汉西 Hey, Hansi.
工作不顺心，麦克？ Hard day at work, Mike?
- 给你 - 谢谢 - Here. - Thank you.
我也不清楚为什么会大发雷霆 I don't know why I got so pissed off.
就觉得罗比选择有误 You know, I think Robby's wrong.
我觉得你只是... You know, you're just...
太在乎这个故事，麦克，我们都一样的 You care about the story, Mike. We all do.
我想你说的对吧 Yeah, I guess
我已经不陪奶奶去教堂了 I stopped going to church with my Nana.
那让人难以接受 It was... It was too hard.
我坐在那就会 You know, I'd be sitting there,
就会想到乔·克罗利 and I'd start thinking about Joe Crowley
或其他的神父，然后... or someone else and I just...
我就怒不可遏 I just got so angry.
你有告诉她原因吗？ Did you tell her why?
她一周要去教堂3次，麦克 She goes to church three times a week, Mike.
这让我太不爽了 It really pisses me off.
你知道吗 You know,
我小时候真的很喜欢去教堂 I actually really liked going to church when I was a little kid.
你为什么放弃了？ Why'd you stop?
和其他人一样 Typical shit.
可古怪的是 But the weird thing is,
我就想... I think I...
我就想着也许有一天 I think I figured that maybe one day...
我还会回去的 I would actually go back.
我真的...一直保有一丝希望 I was really... I was holding on to that.
可看了那些信后 I read those letters, and...
心里面什么就瓦解了 And something just cracked.
- 这感觉很糟糕 - 是的 - It's a shitty feeling. - Yeah.
这感觉很糟 It's a shitty feeling.
你忙了一天吧 Looks like a long day.
- 嗨，皮特 - 抱歉让你久等了 - Hey, Pete. - I'm sorry to make it longer.
布莱恩 Brian.
你请喝酒有人敢拒绝吗，皮特？ Has anyone ever said no to a drink with you, Pete?
当然有啊，不过诀窍是死缠烂打 Well, sure. But the trick is to keep asking.
敬波士顿 For Boston.
敬波士顿 Boston.
那么，你是为主教的事而来？ So, you here for the Cardinal?
不，不是，我哪敢啊 Oh, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't...
我可不认为自己能代表主教，好吗 I wouldn't presume to speak for the Cardinal. No.
你知道吗 You know,
罗比，你在这里可是备受尊敬啊 you got a lot of people here who respect you, Robby,
你干的工作 the work you do.
很高兴知道 That's good to know.
那是因为你关心这个地方 You know, it's because you care about this place.
那是因为你的坚持不懈和真性情 It's why you do what you do. It's who you are.
可现在人们比往常 You know, but people need the Church,
更需要教会 more than ever right now.
你自己应该也能感受到 You know, you can feel it.
而主教大人 And the Cardinal...
这么说吧，主教大人也许并不完美 You know, the Cardinal, he might not be perfect,
可是我们不能因为几个人渣 but we can't throw out all the good
就要否定他所做的一切 he's doing over a few bad apples.
我现在跟你说这些 Now, you know, I'm bringing this up to you
是因为我知道这一切都是巴伦的主意和个人野心 because I know this is Baron's idea, his agenda.
我跟你实话实说吧 I gotta tell ya, I mean, honest to God,
他根本不像我们那样在乎这座城市 I mean, he doesn't care about this city the way we do.
想想吧，他会吗？ I mean, how could he?
- 这就是这里的潜规则吧，皮特？ - 什么？ - This is how it happens, isn't it, Pete? - What's that?
人们私下交易 A guy leans on a guy,
突然间整座城市 and suddenly the whole town
就置若罔闻 just looks the other way.
罗比，罗比，听我说 Robby. Robby, look it,
马蒂·巴伦只是想自己出名 Marty Baron is just trying to make his mark.
他待上个几年就会离开，去别处高就 He's gonna be here for a couple of years, and he's gonna move on.
就像他在纽约和迈阿密时 Just like he did in New York and Miami.
你还能往哪走？ Where're you gonna go?
再见，罗比，布莱恩 Good night, Robby. Brian.
- 嘿，皮特 - 恩？ - Hey, Pete. - Yeah?
当我们决定发表时，我需要主教的评论 When we do run the story, uh, I'm gonna need a comment from the Cardinal.
我们以后再谈，再见，罗比 We'll talk again later. Good night, Robby.
再见，皮特 Good night, Pete.
罗比 Robby.
什么？ What?
不是吧，什么时候？ No shit. When?
好，好的 Okay. Yeah.
嘿 Hey!
什么事？ What's up?
斯维尼判我们获胜 Sweeney ruled in our favor.
她下令解封文件 She ruled to unseal the documents.
天啊 Jeez!
教会已经提出上诉 The Church has already filed an appeal,
不过预审法庭的判决通常情况下都会维持 but the trial court ruling is generally upheld in these matters.
那多久我们可以拿到文件？ And when would we get the documents?
可能需要几周时间等科恩的判决 Probably takes Cohen a few weeks to rule,
然后就是些审查工作 then there's a redaction process.
我估计可能明年1月中旬吧 Uh, I'd say they'd be made public mid-January.
- 那好 - 好的 - Okay. - All right.
- 谢谢，约翰 - 不客气 - Thanks, Jon. - You bet.
- 干得好 - 谢谢 - Nice work. - Thanks.
都市版块也应该做个报道，马蒂 Metro should run something, Marty.
我们不能报道这则消息 We can't run this one big.
为什么不？这可是言论自由的重大胜利 Why wouldn't we? It's a major First Amendment victory.
更不用说还是个 Not to mention, you get
爱尔兰裔天主教徒的法官 an Irish Catholic judge
判决教会失利？ ruling against the Church?
这可是前所未有啊 That's a hell of a precedent.
我们不能让先驱报 嗅出眉目 We don't want the Herald going deep on this.
为什么? Why's that?
皮特，你得回避下了 You're gonna have to step out, Peter.
我才不要离开 I'm not stepping out.
皮特 Peter.
- 你什么时候...？ - 几周前的事 - When did you, uh... - A couple of weeks ago.
几周前？ A couple of weeks?
- 对 - 那你现在才告诉我们？ - Yeah. - And you're telling us now?
这些是重要材料 These are substantial.
清楚表明劳的失察渎职 They clearly show that Law was negligent.
我需要多点时间，我想再挖深点 I need more time. I wanna keep digging.
还要挖什么？不是全都在这了？ For what? This is the goddamn story.
这不是整个故事 It's not the whole story.
难办啊，我们时间不多了 Tough shit. We're on a clock now.
即使我们不需要等斯维尼的判决 Even if we don't run Sweeney's ruling,
其他报纸也有可能发现这些然后搞砸一切 another paper could find these letters and fuck the story.
我同意 Agreed.
可我们只公布这些信件 But we run these letters alone,
然后劳出来道歉，说这只是孤立事件 Law apologizes, says it's a one-time thing.
他又可以继续掩盖 He can bury it.
怎么能？这些信件清楚表明他早就知情却置之不理 How? These clearly show he knew and did nothing about it.
我要做成70名神父的报道 Look, I'm close to stories on 70 priests.
我们搞定那些的话，再加上这些信件 We nail that, along with those letters,
比起只报道劳，这保证更有份量 this is proof this is bigger than Law.
这是整个体系 It's the whole system.
你有多名线人可以指证这些神父？ You have multiple sources confirming all those priests?
有一些，我还可以找到更多 On some. I can get more.
风险太大，如果我们不能把每一个都做实 Too risky. If we're not buttoned up on every single one of them,
教会肯定会反戈一击 the Church will pick us apart.
我想我可以拉拢 I think I can get us someone
一个对方的人 from the other side of the aisle.
教会里的人？ Somebody inside the Church?
恩，一名律师 Yeah, a lawyer.
他肯提供证词吗？ Will he go on the record?
牵扯很深，不过是可靠的来源 Deep background. But he's a solid source.
雷然斯需要时间去写报道 Rezendes needs time to write the story.
我们可不想在圣诞节发表，因为9/11这事 We don't wanna drop it at Christmas, not after 9/11.
不过新年之后是没有问题的 We could run it just after New Year's,
在法院解封其他的文件之前 before they release the rest of the documents.
那好 All right.
让卡内洛斯别在都市版块发表判决结果 Tell Canellos to bury the ruling in Metro.
你还有6周时间 You got six weeks.
多谢 Thank you.
跟麦克说我圣诞节就要拟稿 Tell Mike I want a draft by Christmas.
我们还需要神学院的回应 And we need a response from Lake Street.
谁负责主教的公关工作？还是约翰·沃尔什吗？ Who does PR for the Cardinal? Still John Walsh?
不是，换人了，唐娜·莫里西 No, somebody new, Donna Morrisey.
她在电视台工作过，很年轻 She came from TV. She's young.
好，引用句话 Good, get a quote.
我们需要劳的回应以示公平 We need something from Law to appear even-handed.
罗比，下次提前给我透露点风声好吗？ Robby, next time give me a goddamn heads-up.
好的 Will do.
平安夜 Silent night
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圣善夜 Holy night
万暗中 All is calm
光华射 All is bright
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照着圣母，照着圣婴 Round yon virgin, mother and child
多少慈祥，多少天真 Holy infant, so tender and mild
静享天赐安眠 Sleep in heavenly peace
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静享天赐安眠 Sleep in heavenly peace
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平安夜，圣善夜 Silent night, holy night
牧羊人 Shepherds quake
在旷野 At the sight
忽然看见了天上光华 Glory streams from heaven above
听见天军唱哈利路亚 Heavenly hosts sing Hallelujah
罗比，见到你真是惊喜 Oh, Robby. What a nice surprise.
快请进 Come on in.
亲爱的，看看谁来了 Hey, hon, look who I found outside.
凯伦，能回避一会儿吗？ Karen, can you give us a minute?
好啊 Sure.
很高兴见到你，凯伦 Good to see you, Karen.
有什么事吗？ What's up?
我没时间了，吉姆 I'm out of time, Jim.
我们要做教会包庇70名神父的报道 We've got cover-up stories on 70 priests,
可没有你那边的人出来作证 but the boss isn't gonna run it
我上司是不会批准报道的 unless I get confirmation from your side.
你疯了吗？ Are you out of your mind?
想想吧，吉姆，这事关我们的家乡 Come on. This is our town, Jimmy.
大家都知道发生了什么，却没人站出来 Everybody knew something was going on, and no one did a thing.
我们得阻止这种事再发生 We gotta put an end to it.
别指挥我该干什么 Don't tell me what I gotta do.
没错，我是替这些人渣辩护过，可那是我的工作，罗比 Yeah, I helped defend these scumbags, but that's my job, Robby.
是我的本职工作 I was doing my job!
没错 Yeah.
每个人都有责任 You and everyone else.
你给我离开 Get out of my house.
嘿 Hey!
你竟然跑到我家里找我麻烦？ You come to my home and lay this shit on me!
你说的对，罗比 You were right, Robby.
我们都知道发生了什么 We all knew somethin' was going on.
那你早干什么去了？ So where were you?
到现在才行动？ What took you so long?
我也不知道，吉姆 I don't know, Jim.
把名单给我 Give me the list.
拉里，我们还有6个小时就要印刷了 Larry, we're going to press in six hours.
唐娜·莫里西几小时前说会打电话 Donna Morrisey said she'd called us
告诉我们劳的回应 with a quote from Law hours ago.
- 我也是这么以为的 - 你什么时候跟她说的？ - That's what I thought. - When did you talk to her?
好，好的，拉里 Okay, okay, Larry.
好，那我就放心了 Yeah. Yeah, that's good to know.
- 谢谢，皮特 - 有消息吗？ - Thanks, Pete. - Anything?
康利说唐娜·莫里西应该打了电话，他刚从神学院离开 Conley said Donna Morrisey should have called, he just left Lake Street.
恩，拉斯基也是这么跟我说的 Yeah, Rasky said the same thing.
这太不可思议了，你会以为他们想提前应对 This is ridiculous. You'd think they'd wanna get ahead of this.
他们是白痴才会不想 I mean, they'd be idiots not to.
我可想看到他们读到报道时的表情 I would love to see their faces when they read this thing then.
你知道周六是主显节吗？ You know, Sunday's the feast of the Epiphany.
老天有眼啊 It seems appropriate.
麦克·雷然斯 Mike Rezendes.
你好，唐娜，感谢来电 Hey, Donna. Thanks for calling.
对，能占用你几分钟吗，想问你几个问题 Yeah, I just had a few questions if you have a minute.
什么？ What?
- 咋了？ - 换一个形容词 - What? - Another adjective.
- 有回应吗？ - 劳对我们无可奉告 - Anything? - Law just turned us down.
天啊 Jesus Christ.
我刚同唐娜·莫里西通过电话 I just got off the phone with Donna Morrisey.
我引述她的话，“我们根本连...” She said, quote, we don't even want to know
这些问题都不想知道"，没了 what the questions are, end quote.
- 她真这么说的？ - 恩 - She really said that? - Yeah.
那也够了 Well, that oughta do it.
教会并不想了解 "The Church had no interest
环球报 要问些什么问题 "in knowing what the Globe's questions would be."
把这加在换页之前，还有其他事吗？ Work it in somewhere before the jump. Anything else?
马特想把信件都放到网上 Uh, Matt wants to put the letters online,
这样读者可以自行查阅 so the readers can see for themselves.
我们可以添加链接到文章底部 We can run the URL at the bottom of the article.
- 一劳永逸的事 - 那行 - It's pretty straightforward. - Okay.
我们也把《焦点》的举报电话放到报道底下 We also put the Spotlight tip line at the end of the story
这样大家就可以 so people can call in.
直接打到我们办公室 Goes directly to our office.
我和马特可以早上过来，以防有电话打来 Matt and I can go in in the morning in case we get any calls.
好，我更担心的是前台的电话 Yeah, I'm more concerned about the phones at reception.
在我们报道波特案后 After we ran the Porter case,
信息中心拥堵了几个星期 the message centers were tied up for weeks.
- 那可是个问题 - 还有来示威的 - It's a real problem. - There were picketers, too.
非常多 Lots of 'em.
我会嘱咐理查德处理安全和电话问题 I'll talk to Richard about the security and the phones.
我们打算怎样做后续报道？ Uh, how are we coming on the folo story?
我们有关于这70个神父的 Well, we've nailed down multiple stories
多个报道 on 70 priests.
- 70个都有？ - 恩 - All 70? - Mmm-hmm.
有罗比那个内线的证实，我们万事俱备 And with the confirmation from Robby's source, we're ready to go.
我们下周就能拿出拟稿 We can have a draft next week.
罗比，你那个内线 Uh, Robby, that source of yours,
我们还可以再使用吗？ is it something we could revisit?
他可能不情愿 He might be tough.
可他却不闻不问的帮助教会 But he has no problem helping the Church
去包庇这些禽兽神父 protect dozens of dirty priests.
- 那家伙也是人渣 - 他是名律师，只是做本职工作 - Guy's a scumbag. - He's a lawyer, he's doing his job.
他是教会的帮凶 He's a shill for the Church.
他知情却无动于衷 He knew and did nothing.
他早就该挺身而出，说不定能救很多人 He could've said something years ago. Maybe saved some lives.
那我们呢？ What about us?
那是什么意思？ What's that supposed to mean?
我们有各种线索 We had all the pieces.
为什么我们没有早点行动？ Why didn't we get it sooner?
我们没有全部的线索 We didn't have all the pieces.
我们知道萨维亚诺、巴雷特，还有吉欧根 We had Saviano, we had Barrett, we had Geoghan.
我们的地下室里有花名录 We had the directories in the basement.
看看我们现在有的东西 You know what? We got it now.
罗比，这故事需要《焦点》 Robby, the story needed Spotlight.
麦克，《焦点》早在1970年就存在了 Mike, Spotlight's been around since 1970.
那又如何？我们没可能预见这种波及范围，没人可以 So what? We couldn't see the scope of this. No one could.
罗比，我们着手时可只有一名神父 Robby, this started with one goddamn priest.
麦克利什给我们寄过一个20人的名单，多年前的事 Macleish sent us a letter on 20 priests, years ago.
萨夏在剪报里找到了 Sacha found the clip.
你不是开国际玩笑吧，20名神父？ You freaking kidding me? 20 priests?
什么时候？ When?
就在波特案后，93年12月 Uh, just after Porter. December '93.
我们当时的都市版块没有跟进 We buried the story in Metro. No folo.
那是你吧 That was you.
你负责的都市版块 You were Metro.
对，是我 Yeah. That was me.
我当时刚接手，根本不记得有这回事 I'd just taken over. I don't remember it at all.
不过的确是我 But yeah...
可以让我插几句吗？ Can I say something here?
有时我们很爱忘记 Sometimes it's easy to forget
大多数时候我们都是在黑暗中磕磕绊绊 that we spend most of our time stumbling around in the dark.
突然间天亮了 Suddenly a light gets turned on,
人们却开始互相指责起来 and there's a fair share of blame to go around.
我不想对我来之前的情况评头论足 I can't speak to what happened before I arrived,
不过，你们每个人在这个报道上都干得很出色 but, um, all of you have done some very good reporting here.
而我认为这个报道会给我们的读者带来 Reporting that I believe is gonna have an immediate
直接的和难以估量的影响 and considerable impact on our readers.
对我而言，这种报道正是我们干这一行的原因 For me, this kind of story is why we do this.
话说回来，主教劳以及天主教社区 Having said that, Cardinal Law and the Catholic community
应该会对这个报道做出强硬回应 are gonna have a very strong response to this.
如果你们想要休整一下 So if you need a moment,
那是你们应得的 you've earned it.
不过，我需要你们下周一早晨回来时 But I will need you back here Monday morning
集中精力做好份内的事 focused and ready to do your job.
要走吗？ Leaving?
好 Yeah.
我刚接到主教的电话 I, uh, just got a call from the Cardinal.
真的？什么目的？ Really. Why?
他想亲自告诉我 He wanted to tell me personally
他决定不予评论 that he decided not to comment.
他说他只是好意打个招呼 Yeah, said he wanted to extend me that courtesy.
天啊，这家伙真是厚颜无耻，你怎么回应他的？ Jesus, the balls on that guy. What did you say?
我说你做了错误的决定 I told him he was making a mistake,
而我们要做成这个报道 and that we were gonna run the story.
你说的太对了 Damn right we're gonna run it.
萨夏，能帮我倒杯水吗？ Sacha, can I have a drink of water?
好的，奶奶 Yeah. Sure, Nana. Yeah.
这个我可以保留吗？ Can I keep this?
当然 Sure.
我觉得应该让你先过目 I thought you should see it first.
谢谢你带过来给我 Thank you for bringing it by.
我还有些客户的事要处理 I have some clients I have to attend to.
2个小孩都被性侵 Both kids were abused.
2周前在牙买加平原发生的事 Jamaica Plain. Two weeks ago.
继续你目前的工作，雷然斯先生 Keep doing your work, Mr. Rezendes.
- 嗨 - 嗨 - Hello. - Hello.
- 你们好吗？ - 很好 - How are you guys doing? - We're good.
好 Good.
教会包庇神父性侵多年
- 嗨 - 早上好 - Hey. - Morning.
昨晚睡的好吗？ How'd you sleep?
不太好，你呢？ Not very well. You?
我几个月来都没睡好过 I haven't slept well for months.
谢谢，我其实在写东西 Oh, thanks. I actually started writing.
- 写东西？ - 恩，准备写本书 - Writing? - Yeah, I've been working on a book.
让我可以分心做点其他事情 Gives me something else to focus on.
什么类型的书？ What kind of book?
恐怖小说 Horror.
《焦点》 Spotlight.
好，当然可以 Yeah. Yeah, of course.
可以报下你的名字吗？ Can I get your name, please?
你没忘今天是周六吧？ You do know it's Sunday, right?
我没订上开球时间 I couldn't get a tee time.
- 没有来示威的 - 是啊 - No picketers. - Yeah.
可能还在教堂集合呢 Probably still at church.
嗨，琳达 Hey, Linda.
这么安静？ It's quiet, huh?
是啊，我加过的最轻松的班了 Yeah, easiest overtime I ever made.
电话还没响过一次 Phone hasn't rung once.
马特叫了我的两个人去《焦点》 Marty sent two of mine down to Spotlight.
- 你们的报道很棒 - 谢谢 - Great article, guys. - Thank you.
《焦点》？ Spotlight?
好，让他过来 Okay. Send him over.
《焦点》，你请讲 Spotlight, can I help you?
电话一早上就没停过 Phones have been ringing all morning.
- 麦克，你能负责那部电话吗？ - 好的 - Mike, can you grab that? - Yeah, yeah.
基本上全是受害者打来的，罗比 They're almost all victims, Robby.
抱歉让你久等了 I'm sorry to make you wait.
这事很难以启齿，我明白... It's very tough to talk about, I know...
是的，你可以打给我 Yes, you can reach me here...
这里是《焦点》 This is Spotlight.
《焦点》 Spotlight.
整个2002年，《焦点》团队
发表了接近600篇有关丑闻的报道
在波士顿大主教区就有249名神父
和教士被公开指控
波士顿地区的幸存者
预计会超过一千人
2002年12月，主教劳从
波士顿大主教区辞职
被调回罗马的圣母玛利亚大教堂
这是世界上级别最高的
罗马天主教堂之一
重大性侵丑闻陆续在各地爆出：